1 00:00:37,410 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,369 --> 00:00:41,709 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,650 --> 00:00:44,379 ride into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:51,959 --> 00:00:47,660 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:51,969 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,460 --> 00:00:55,089 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,299 --> 00:00:57,470 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:06,460 --> 00:01:01,309 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,639 --> 00:01:06,470 night now your electrifying hosts of 10 00:01:17,590 --> 00:01:09,649 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 11 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:17,600 team sports lots of exhaust being 12 00:01:24,669 --> 00:01:20,390 emitted by these old world war 1 planes 13 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:24,679 I know and these goggles they make it 14 00:01:31,630 --> 00:01:28,700 hard to see they're all fogged up Wow 15 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:31,640 but we're not up here by ourselves Tim 16 00:01:36,669 --> 00:01:34,130 besides the Red Baron being on our ass 17 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:36,679 there are some strange objects that seem 18 00:01:43,180 --> 00:01:40,130 to be circling around our plane hmm must 19 00:01:45,249 --> 00:01:43,190 be those cursed Foo Fighters well let's 20 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:45,259 get back to the landing strip and KCUR 21 00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:48,590 radio in Las Vegas now that's a long 22 00:01:56,949 --> 00:01:52,489 flight but not much else we can do for 23 00:02:03,639 --> 00:01:56,959 the cigar-shaped craft coming in Roger 24 00:02:07,779 --> 00:02:03,649 will do oh boy well I guess we're safely 25 00:02:17,380 --> 00:02:07,789 back on the ground are we tin well you 26 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:17,390 may be my feet haven't touched the 27 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:21,200 ground in years Tim well that's because 28 00:02:27,460 --> 00:02:24,110 I you're smoking too much these days I 29 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:27,470 think it's perfectly legal even the 30 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:29,420 president said he's not gonna go after 31 00:02:33,970 --> 00:02:31,670 you personally anymore I know that for a 32 00:02:36,820 --> 00:02:33,980 fact but yeah well don't know forget I 33 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:36,830 live in Indiana and that's you know the 34 00:02:45,260 --> 00:02:40,610 vice president came from here and will 35 00:02:47,339 --> 00:02:45,270 be will be the last laugh the last one 36 00:02:49,959 --> 00:02:47,349 [Laughter] 37 00:02:50,650 --> 00:02:49,969 other than that how are things going out 38 00:02:53,860 --> 00:02:50,660 there 39 00:02:56,590 --> 00:02:53,870 going great excited for tonight's 40 00:03:00,730 --> 00:02:56,600 program been looking forward to this one 41 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:00,740 for all week yeah yeah I've been looking 42 00:03:05,380 --> 00:03:02,450 forward to this one for a whole darn 43 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:05,390 month damn this is this is the Coupe de 44 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:09,350 Gras as far as UFOs go I mean we've got 45 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:12,890 to really at least to me exciting guests 46 00:03:18,310 --> 00:03:16,400 on who I have not talked to to be honest 47 00:03:21,130 --> 00:03:18,320 with you but I've been dying to speak to 48 00:03:23,890 --> 00:03:21,140 both of them and and that's basically 49 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:23,900 why we have this program exploring the 50 00:03:28,330 --> 00:03:26,210 bizarre because we are anxious to talk 51 00:03:30,730 --> 00:03:28,340 to our guests I wake up in the middle of 52 00:03:35,860 --> 00:03:30,740 the night writing down questions to ask 53 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:35,870 oh that's a terrible lie but what the 54 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:37,610 heck what did you what did she introduce 55 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:39,440 our guests because we're we're spending 56 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:41,510 too much time on ourselves as usual and 57 00:03:48,340 --> 00:03:44,390 we want to get into the program here all 58 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:48,350 right well we have like was that two 59 00:03:50,890 --> 00:03:50,480 fantastic guests we have Chris Roberto 60 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:50,900 Sookie 61 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:54,650 and Nigel Watson now Chris is a Canadian 62 00:03:59,590 --> 00:03:57,200 science writer and educator with degrees 63 00:04:01,990 --> 00:03:59,600 in astronomy and education now since the 64 00:04:04,690 --> 00:04:02,000 mid 1970s he's also been studying 65 00:04:07,150 --> 00:04:04,700 reports of UFOs and writing about his 66 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:07,160 investigations and research his books on 67 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:09,290 UFOs and related issues include a 68 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:12,170 natural history abductions and aliens a 69 00:04:19,479 --> 00:04:15,920 world of UFOs I saw it too and the big 70 00:04:22,810 --> 00:04:19,489 book of UFOs and his most recent when 71 00:04:26,110 --> 00:04:22,820 they appeared Falcon Lake 1967 the 72 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:26,120 inside story of Close Encounters and he 73 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:30,850 wrote that along with Stan Miculek now 74 00:04:35,140 --> 00:04:33,110 Chris has appeared on numerous radio 75 00:04:38,290 --> 00:04:35,150 programs podcast and documentary TV 76 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:38,300 series including unsolved mysteries UFO 77 00:04:44,890 --> 00:04:41,780 Hunters sightings the the para cast with 78 00:04:47,590 --> 00:04:44,900 our good friend Jean Steinberg 79 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:47,600 discoveries Close Encounters ae and ease 80 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:50,570 the unexplained now Chris is also the 81 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:52,610 past president of both the Winnipeg 82 00:04:58,030 --> 00:04:54,890 science-fiction society and the Winnipeg 83 00:05:01,450 --> 00:04:58,040 Center of the Royal Astronomical Society 84 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:01,460 of Canada also with us tonight is Nigel 85 00:05:04,510 --> 00:05:03,289 Watson Nigel has researched and 86 00:05:07,210 --> 00:05:04,520 investigated historical 87 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:07,220 contemporary reports of UFO sighting 88 00:05:13,649 --> 00:05:10,970 since the 1970s is the author of such 89 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:13,659 books like portraits of alien encounters 90 00:05:20,170 --> 00:05:16,240 phantom aerial flaps and waves 91 00:05:22,930 --> 00:05:20,180 supernatural spielberg editor and writer 92 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:22,940 of the scare ship mystery a survey of 93 00:05:30,189 --> 00:05:26,720 phantom airships scares 1909 through 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:30,199 1918 the UFO investigation manuals and 95 00:05:36,189 --> 00:05:33,530 UFOs of the first world war now he is 96 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:36,199 also written for the unexplained rapid 97 00:05:40,689 --> 00:05:36,710 reads 98 00:05:42,430 --> 00:05:40,699 ebook series books such as UFOs the Nazi 99 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:42,440 connection that's something that both 100 00:05:49,230 --> 00:05:44,180 are both awesome you don't get into 101 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:49,240 right to spontaneous human combustion x' 102 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:51,770 UFO government secrets the great UFO 103 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:55,940 cover-up and go ships of the skies now 104 00:06:01,899 --> 00:05:58,370 in the 1980s he gained a BA degree in 105 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:01,909 psychology and a BA degree in film and 106 00:06:05,969 --> 00:06:04,460 literature so Nigel Chris thank you very 107 00:06:11,559 --> 00:06:05,979 much for being with us tonight on 108 00:06:12,610 --> 00:06:11,569 exploring the bizarre I think we should 109 00:06:16,709 --> 00:06:12,620 mention that 110 00:06:19,209 --> 00:06:16,719 Nigel also contributed a chapter and 111 00:06:21,149 --> 00:06:19,219 incident well in fact our beginning at 112 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:21,159 tonight which is being a little bit 113 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:23,810 satirical is actually based upon a 114 00:06:31,659 --> 00:06:27,680 chapter in the in our UFO hostilities 115 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:31,669 book which is just come out and Nigel 116 00:06:39,370 --> 00:06:35,150 was very nice to contribute a a chapter 117 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:39,380 on UFO sightings on in World War one and 118 00:06:44,769 --> 00:06:42,080 and before and so I I'm anxious to get 119 00:06:47,219 --> 00:06:44,779 the show rolling here and I want to 120 00:06:51,969 --> 00:06:47,229 bring it Chris on first and there's a 121 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:51,979 reason we are celebrating 50 years of a 122 00:07:00,670 --> 00:06:55,849 very strange incident that took place in 123 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:00,680 Manitoba Canada at Falcon Lake where an 124 00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:05,930 individual was badly burned by a UFO 125 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:08,060 that sat down on a rock and he 126 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:09,680 approached well we're gonna have Chris 127 00:07:15,689 --> 00:07:12,680 tell these story but it's such a solid 128 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:15,699 case that the Canadian government 129 00:07:21,670 --> 00:07:18,190 actually just recently released their 130 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:21,680 $20.00 a commemorative coin I was on 131 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:23,930 coast to coast just the other night and 132 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:26,450 I mentioned this to Jerry and he was 133 00:07:31,330 --> 00:07:28,790 flabbergasted that this would take place 134 00:07:33,130 --> 00:07:31,340 and I I must say that it is I think 135 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:33,140 probably the first that I I've heard of 136 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:35,120 some postage stamps where the 137 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:37,580 government's have commemorated the UFO 138 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:40,670 incidents but never a coin so bun 139 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:43,670 welcome Kris who's up there in in Canada 140 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:46,850 on to the show and Kris why don't we 141 00:07:51,370 --> 00:07:49,850 start out by yeah give us a little bit 142 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:51,380 of your background now I notice one of 143 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:53,690 the things that Timna Schwartz mentioned 144 00:07:58,390 --> 00:07:55,730 was that you were head of the 145 00:08:01,330 --> 00:07:58,400 science-fiction group up there well 146 00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:01,340 usually science fiction people and UFO 147 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:04,670 people don't it's like mixing water and 148 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:06,770 oil they can't stand each other at least 149 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:08,930 here in the United States give us a 150 00:08:12,940 --> 00:08:10,400 little bit about your background and how 151 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:12,950 you got into the UFOs did the science 152 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:14,990 fiction come first or did the UFOs come 153 00:08:22,270 --> 00:08:18,050 first no actually the science came first 154 00:08:25,930 --> 00:08:22,280 I when I was early in my university 155 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:25,940 years I started taking astronomy and 156 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:28,280 very early on my professors were 157 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:31,250 educating me on how UFOs are nothing to 158 00:08:34,930 --> 00:08:32,810 worry about and people are just making 159 00:08:37,060 --> 00:08:34,940 things up and hallucinating and so forth 160 00:08:39,130 --> 00:08:37,070 but then calls started coming into the 161 00:08:41,230 --> 00:08:39,140 Astronomy Department because we're in 162 00:08:44,650 --> 00:08:41,240 the middle of a flap in the in the mid 163 00:08:47,950 --> 00:08:44,660 70s up here in Canada so I thought I 164 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:47,960 would ingratiate myself to my profs and 165 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:49,130 I said you know what why don't I take 166 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:52,130 the phone calls for you and that way you 167 00:08:56,350 --> 00:08:53,990 can get back to your serious research on 168 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:56,360 other things and I started talking with 169 00:09:00,760 --> 00:08:58,730 some of the witnesses here and you know 170 00:09:02,380 --> 00:09:00,770 I was puzzled I certainly could explain 171 00:09:04,270 --> 00:09:02,390 quite a few of them but there were quite 172 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:04,280 a few that I couldn't explain but I took 173 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:06,050 it upon myself to talk to people go out 174 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:07,910 into the countryside visiting with them 175 00:09:13,090 --> 00:09:11,510 and their farms and homes and I was I 176 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:13,100 was quite fascinated what was going on 177 00:09:18,370 --> 00:09:15,200 and I was I wanted to know more about 178 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:18,380 the subject so I happened to pick up a 179 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:21,410 magazine called flying saucers which was 180 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:25,990 of course a spin-off of a pulp called 181 00:09:30,850 --> 00:09:28,760 other worlds and that became other 182 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:30,860 worlds flying saucers from other worlds 183 00:09:35,949 --> 00:09:31,850 and so forth and in the 184 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:35,959 lack of one of the issues there was a an 185 00:09:43,150 --> 00:09:39,769 ad for a flying saucer or sorry a 186 00:09:45,389 --> 00:09:43,160 science-fiction meetup club back and 187 00:09:47,410 --> 00:09:45,399 this would have been in the 50s and I 188 00:09:48,970 --> 00:09:47,420 thought I wonder if this group is still 189 00:09:51,699 --> 00:09:48,980 around because I wanted more copies of 190 00:09:53,139 --> 00:09:51,709 this flying saucers magazine and sure 191 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:53,149 enough the group was still in existence 192 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:55,310 and I called up the fellow who ran it 193 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:57,440 and he invited me to come down and sure 194 00:10:01,329 --> 00:09:58,850 enough I showed up and you know there 195 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:01,339 was I was met with a lot of icy glares 196 00:10:06,460 --> 00:10:03,380 from the science-fiction fans who were 197 00:10:08,139 --> 00:10:06,470 there and they said you know you really 198 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:08,149 don't belong here you're into flying 199 00:10:11,829 --> 00:10:10,220 saucers and we're into science fiction 200 00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:11,839 and you know things that are all made up 201 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:13,670 and therefore oh wait a minute you know 202 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:15,889 what it's okay you can stay that's 203 00:10:20,110 --> 00:10:18,470 that's fine that's fine very gracious of 204 00:10:22,749 --> 00:10:20,120 that very gracious of them well you know 205 00:10:25,870 --> 00:10:22,759 it was a flying saucer magazine which 206 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:25,880 was edited published by Ray Palmer that 207 00:10:31,420 --> 00:10:28,850 got most of us together I mean when we 208 00:10:33,699 --> 00:10:31,430 were teenagers there were a lot of young 209 00:10:36,699 --> 00:10:33,709 people in getting into the subject in 210 00:10:39,129 --> 00:10:36,709 the 1960s we all met through the 211 00:10:41,889 --> 00:10:39,139 personals in the flying saucer club news 212 00:10:43,269 --> 00:10:41,899 section of that magazine exactly and so 213 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:43,279 it's interesting that that's that was 214 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:44,990 one of the ways that I got in as well so 215 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:48,649 I began to continue to investigate and 216 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:50,529 and talk about things and at one point 217 00:10:58,179 --> 00:10:53,990 and I'm thinking early earlier late 70s 218 00:10:59,499 --> 00:10:58,189 I guess the the physics department which 219 00:11:02,410 --> 00:10:59,509 was the department that housed the 220 00:11:04,780 --> 00:11:02,420 astronomers they had an opening 221 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:04,790 somebody had cancelled in the Friday 222 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:07,730 afternoon departmental meetings and they 223 00:11:13,449 --> 00:11:10,610 asked me to to fill in at the last 224 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:13,459 minute I said sure and word got around I 225 00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:15,529 was honest be speaking about UFOs and as 226 00:11:19,870 --> 00:11:17,720 an undergraduate that's very unusual to 227 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:19,880 have to speak to a departmental physics 228 00:11:27,009 --> 00:11:24,860 meeting and so I took it upon myself to 229 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:27,019 talk anyways word got around they moved 230 00:11:31,870 --> 00:11:28,790 the departmental meeting to the largest 231 00:11:34,689 --> 00:11:31,880 lecture hall in the entire University 232 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:34,699 and I spoke to 400 people about what I 233 00:11:38,949 --> 00:11:36,740 had learned about flying saucers and UFO 234 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:38,959 right and that was my baptism by fire 235 00:11:44,889 --> 00:11:42,410 and it was quite interesting I and since 236 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:44,899 then I took on the mantle and I guess I 237 00:11:48,350 --> 00:11:45,540 had the rep 238 00:11:51,259 --> 00:11:48,360 being the UFO guy and gradually after a 239 00:11:53,569 --> 00:11:51,269 number of years people asked me to write 240 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:53,579 about what I had heard from people and 241 00:11:58,819 --> 00:11:55,529 my own investigations and that started 242 00:12:00,829 --> 00:11:58,829 my book career so it really did hang on 243 00:12:03,410 --> 00:12:00,839 there there's a we were in the middle of 244 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:03,420 a storm here and the power just went out 245 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:10,110 so oh it's a UFO it's a UFO really my 246 00:12:13,730 --> 00:12:12,360 computer's rebooting just heck second 247 00:12:19,370 --> 00:12:13,740 here yeah okay you're coming through 248 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:19,380 loud and clear boy so far yeah yeah so 249 00:12:24,439 --> 00:12:22,290 now did you have a personal observation 250 00:12:24,980 --> 00:12:24,449 or a sighting of your own have you ever 251 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:24,990 had one 252 00:12:34,490 --> 00:12:32,610 oh the storm has gotten us well you 253 00:12:36,319 --> 00:12:34,500 can't say that stuff like this doesn't 254 00:12:38,389 --> 00:12:36,329 happen when you're when you're going 255 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:38,399 alive right Jim that's right that's 256 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:40,160 right well we'll have to wait to his 257 00:12:43,629 --> 00:12:42,360 system reboots again it shouldn't take 258 00:12:46,129 --> 00:12:43,639 too long 259 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:46,139 well we have another we have another we 260 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:47,639 have another guest so that's not a 261 00:12:55,699 --> 00:12:49,860 problem Nigel are you there without the 262 00:12:58,340 --> 00:12:55,709 door I think that's the I think Nick 263 00:13:00,889 --> 00:12:58,350 Redford was odd what's of the power what 264 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:00,899 up but he's down in Texas that always 265 00:13:08,990 --> 00:13:04,769 happens tell us a little something about 266 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:09,000 your early days in the UFO field um well 267 00:13:14,389 --> 00:13:11,850 I became interested through the moon 268 00:13:17,509 --> 00:13:14,399 landing missions in the late sixties I 269 00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:17,519 got really interested in seeing all the 270 00:13:27,139 --> 00:13:22,350 news newspaper reports and for build up 271 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:27,149 to a big landing on the moon in 69 and I 272 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:29,760 was kind of gripped by anything to do 273 00:13:35,809 --> 00:13:33,720 with space exploration and of course in 274 00:13:39,079 --> 00:13:35,819 the local library along with astronomy 275 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:39,089 and space books and a few UFO books 276 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:43,740 filtered in and I think one or two of 277 00:13:49,309 --> 00:13:45,810 the early books I read were mainly kind 278 00:13:54,259 --> 00:13:49,319 of contact ebooks books by people like 279 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:54,269 George Adamski and I also got out of a 280 00:13:59,470 --> 00:13:57,000 few cheap paperbacks like flying saucers 281 00:14:04,330 --> 00:13:59,480 are hostile by Rod Steiger 282 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:04,340 and Joan Riven - and I just got 283 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:06,950 intrigued then by UFOs because I thought 284 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:09,650 if man can land on the moon it would be 285 00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:13,370 logical for advanced alien species to 286 00:14:24,430 --> 00:14:16,880 come to us so that's how we're going to 287 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:24,440 it really and when I started meeting a 288 00:14:30,730 --> 00:14:26,540 few people and we advertised in the 289 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:30,740 local paper about having a proper UFO 290 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:34,070 meeting and about 30 people turned up 291 00:14:42,010 --> 00:14:38,530 and from there we use that as a kind of 292 00:14:45,250 --> 00:14:42,020 launching point for a local UFO group 293 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:45,260 that's when I lived up in scum fob in 294 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:50,800 Lincolnshire and from there we we 295 00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:55,130 investigated local cases but we we never 296 00:14:59,740 --> 00:14:57,680 really found any really exciting one so 297 00:15:03,460 --> 00:14:59,750 it mainly lights and the sky and things 298 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:03,470 like that so it it was very hard to 299 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:07,160 really establish what what these things 300 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:11,210 were because obviously you can spend you 301 00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:13,730 know days researching something like a 302 00:15:19,150 --> 00:15:15,950 light in the sky and still not really 303 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:19,160 pin it down to anything in particular 304 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:21,110 you know like an aircraft navigation 305 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:24,410 light or a weather balloon or anything 306 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:27,290 like that so then I kind of got or 307 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:34,650 Close Encounters and any strange 308 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:38,720 experiences are people reports because I 309 00:15:46,660 --> 00:15:41,990 thought if people say they've seen like 310 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:46,670 a UFO land or sea occupants then you 311 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:50,210 know obviously but you know it's either 312 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:52,730 true or false rather than you know the 313 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:56,630 ambiguity of a light in the sky but you 314 00:16:02,370 --> 00:15:58,610 know that very again opens up and they 315 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:02,380 were kind of worms really because then 316 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:05,090 it's looking at the veracity of 317 00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:07,570 witnesses and whether they were just 318 00:16:15,890 --> 00:16:09,700 mistaken 319 00:16:20,510 --> 00:16:15,900 and a lot of the reports I investigated 320 00:16:23,370 --> 00:16:20,520 were in the sort of late 1970s when 321 00:16:27,930 --> 00:16:23,380 Close Encounters of the Third Kind came 322 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:27,940 out by Spielberg about really put you 323 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:29,860 for research on my map in Britain 324 00:16:34,830 --> 00:16:31,720 because of so many articles in the 325 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:34,840 national newspapers and because of our a 326 00:16:41,580 --> 00:16:37,420 lot of people were more eager to report 327 00:16:44,190 --> 00:16:41,590 cases so I was able to meet quite a few 328 00:16:47,970 --> 00:16:44,200 people in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire who 329 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:47,980 had really strange encounters one 330 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:51,610 particular person was Paul Bennett it 331 00:16:59,100 --> 00:16:54,010 was only a sort of 12 year old schoolboy 332 00:17:02,280 --> 00:16:59,110 and who lived in Yorkshire and he and 333 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:02,290 his mates were like constancy constantly 334 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:07,150 seen UFOs and saw ghosts and little men 335 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:10,330 in black and even saw a sort of 12 foot 336 00:17:16,530 --> 00:17:14,110 high green robot scooping up soil never 337 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:16,540 home so you know that was quite an 338 00:17:22,430 --> 00:17:19,150 intriguing case because it look you know 339 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:22,440 it kind of covered UFOs I'm a paranormal 340 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:23,770 Wow 341 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:26,140 now here in the United States I think 342 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:27,850 that a lot of UFO investigators who are 343 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:29,860 in a story like that especially from a 344 00:17:36,510 --> 00:17:32,710 12 year old boy witnessed automatically 345 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:36,520 dismissing yeah I think that's one 346 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:39,910 reason I investigated it because I'd had 347 00:17:45,660 --> 00:17:42,280 a letter from another child have said 348 00:17:47,610 --> 00:17:45,670 we'd seen an alien and I showed it to 349 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:47,620 another ufologist and he said oh it's 350 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,440 just a figment of our imagination but 351 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:53,200 well how come you can just dismiss that 352 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:55,390 as a figment of imagination but 353 00:18:00,840 --> 00:17:58,330 investigate adult encounters and in a 354 00:18:02,850 --> 00:18:00,850 way you know I think you've got to be 355 00:18:03,530 --> 00:18:02,860 kind of open-minded about it and 356 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:03,540 lookouts 357 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:06,970 the evidence has provided say you know 358 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:08,800 look at the case you know going back 359 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:11,290 over the years look at some of the the 360 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:13,330 best cases there's what is what is it 361 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:17,280 South Africa there was one in Australia 362 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:19,780 this is another one I can't account 363 00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:22,180 where it was offhand that consisted of 364 00:18:26,490 --> 00:18:23,500 entire groups 365 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:26,500 of schoolchildren and that they also 366 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:28,330 they also had I guess maybe some of 367 00:18:34,020 --> 00:18:30,580 their their teachers or principals there 368 00:18:37,530 --> 00:18:34,030 but mainly it was the the testimony of 369 00:18:39,090 --> 00:18:37,540 the very useful witnesses that put these 370 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:39,100 particular sightings on the map 371 00:18:43,380 --> 00:18:41,260 in fact john mack went to south africa 372 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:43,390 and interviewed or and there's a I think 373 00:18:46,890 --> 00:18:45,190 of a movie that was even made you know 374 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:46,900 documentary that you can find on the 375 00:18:54,180 --> 00:18:52,150 United yeah so them yeah I think that's 376 00:18:58,020 --> 00:18:54,190 a thing though for a quite a few 377 00:19:01,920 --> 00:18:58,030 playground UFO cases um I investigated 378 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:01,930 one in was the other one that I was 379 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,420 thinking ember it landed in the in the 380 00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:06,640 park and they were they were tall a job 381 00:19:12,330 --> 00:19:10,140 giant type beings that came out and the 382 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:12,340 teenagers or maybe younger than that so 383 00:19:17,130 --> 00:19:14,710 um from a distance a Peter Robbins has 384 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:17,140 done a whole investigation on that you 385 00:19:22,050 --> 00:19:20,710 know and that was before all this you 386 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,060 know the material was starting to leak 387 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:24,640 out from the Soviet Union in fact the 388 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:28,090 New York Times even uh you know wrote 389 00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:32,140 wrote it up now in our book the UFO 390 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:34,390 hostilities you have a chapter there on 391 00:19:42,290 --> 00:19:38,890 a world war one how did you equate the 392 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:42,300 first equate the UFO phenomena with a 393 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:46,480 combat in international conflict and 394 00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,320 what was another reason um I I went away 395 00:19:55,770 --> 00:19:52,960 from just lights in the sky about local 396 00:19:59,130 --> 00:19:55,780 people were reporting and for if I look 397 00:20:02,190 --> 00:19:59,140 back in the newspaper files and we can't 398 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:02,200 possibly be mistaken observe 399 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:04,690 observations of satellites or any 400 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:07,930 man-made objects and so ever might be 401 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:13,240 you know a bit more genuine if you know 402 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:13,870 what I mean 403 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:16,870 so I started looking in newspaper files 404 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,260 and I found quite a few stories um a 405 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:24,400 pioneer of this research was really 406 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:28,930 charles fort who wrote a book of a 407 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:32,650 damned and listed loads of really an 408 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:36,010 ancient UFO cases from scientific 409 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:37,320 journals and 410 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:40,930 newspapers like London Times so I was 411 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:43,210 able to look at odd volumes of a local 412 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:50,290 newspapers and in 1909 of him may April 413 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:53,710 time quite a few people throughout 414 00:21:00,750 --> 00:20:57,610 Britain saw strange lights in the sky 415 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:00,760 which at the time they identified as 416 00:21:08,220 --> 00:21:05,530 German Zeppelin's and so often of Ovi 417 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:08,230 only saw lights read savoured had 418 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:12,400 associated motor sounds with them so 419 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:15,760 they thought were were Germans spying 420 00:21:22,590 --> 00:21:19,170 out the land for a possible invasion 421 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:22,600 which kind of equates with a modern 422 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:25,060 viewpoint if people saw the same things 423 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:27,430 that think it was aliens spying out the 424 00:21:35,550 --> 00:21:30,390 land for an invasion so very quite a few 425 00:21:37,860 --> 00:21:35,560 parallels but back then you know 426 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:37,870 Zeppelin's were at the cutting edge of 427 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:41,920 aeronautical technology and I think 428 00:21:45,660 --> 00:21:43,870 worst of all for Britain was the fact 429 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:45,670 that the Germans were creating these 430 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:48,250 huge planes that could travel hundreds 431 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:51,390 of miles whereas Britain only had a few 432 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:53,710 puny airships that weren't very 433 00:22:00,660 --> 00:21:56,770 effective in comparison so ever felt 434 00:22:03,450 --> 00:22:00,670 there was a big gap between German 435 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:03,460 military advancement to me in the air 436 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:06,880 and so I found that quite fascinating to 437 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:10,770 look up the history of a period and and 438 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:14,320 the context of people seeing strange 439 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:17,380 objects and in fact one person actually 440 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:20,530 saw he said I'm a topper carefully mount 441 00:22:28,290 --> 00:22:25,120 and he saw a landed object and two men 442 00:22:32,060 --> 00:22:28,300 in big fur coats jumped into the 443 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,070 carriage and flew away at high speed and 444 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:34,960 you know this could be an early case of 445 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,020 a close encounter of the third kind but 446 00:22:43,770 --> 00:22:40,720 yeah because nobody could explain it and 447 00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:43,780 some other people also so lights in the 448 00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:48,280 area that same night and also in the 449 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:51,260 ground where the person had seen this 450 00:22:58,110 --> 00:22:54,970 airship who were Mausam aground and 451 00:23:03,549 --> 00:22:58,120 little scraps of news clippings about 452 00:23:06,370 --> 00:23:03,559 warfare and airships hmm so the the UFO 453 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:06,380 with the occupants were collecting a 454 00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,100 news clip sir oh well seem to have 455 00:23:14,289 --> 00:23:11,600 dropped from them it was a few of 456 00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:14,299 odd fragments of things which were later 457 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:18,830 identified as self motor parts like 458 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:22,100 valves and different things nothing 459 00:23:26,890 --> 00:23:24,950 exciting really but it was quite a 460 00:23:30,820 --> 00:23:26,900 fascinating case because it had London 461 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:30,830 traces and you know alright and Nigel 462 00:23:33,789 --> 00:23:32,090 I'm gonna have to interrupt you here 463 00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:33,799 because we have to go to our bottom of 464 00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:34,760 the arrow break when we come back 465 00:23:40,570 --> 00:23:37,700 hopefully Chris can join us again in the 466 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:40,580 height of winter storm on explore in the 467 00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:43,910 bazaars about the Red Baron's UFO 468 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:53,680 now back to exploring the bazaars with 469 00:23:59,560 --> 00:23:56,270 two of the most electrifying researchers 470 00:24:06,400 --> 00:23:59,570 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 471 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:06,410 Lee and kings welcome back to explore in 472 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:08,809 the bazaar Tim Chris Markowski is back 473 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:11,300 with us I think we should continue our 474 00:24:22,090 --> 00:24:15,770 questioning with you think only watch 475 00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:22,100 salutely Chris now we've lost him but 476 00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:24,470 this happens to be a storm in my system 477 00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:29,960 not a storm outside the the eternal 478 00:24:36,910 --> 00:24:34,190 storm in the one that comes up rises up 479 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:36,920 from the inside okay go ahead go ahead 480 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:39,950 Tim you if you you got the the bat in 481 00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:42,200 the hand here so to speak and so you you 482 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:44,360 go with the questioning well I remember 483 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:47,570 what what what Chris was telling us 484 00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:51,500 before before lightning struck but well 485 00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:56,559 I know that you you were talking about 486 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:02,480 how you got started with this through 487 00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:06,410 science and you know and and I know you 488 00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:08,660 you'd made a comment about how you know 489 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:11,480 like the astronomy professors had told 490 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:13,970 you about you know these UFO sightings 491 00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:16,550 were you know mirages and you know 492 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:19,790 people just you know didn't know what 493 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:21,470 that what they were looking at but how 494 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:24,830 many of them actually like you did go 495 00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,070 and talk to these witnesses or you know 496 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:31,520 go out to a location themselves well of 497 00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:33,410 course you have very very few him and 498 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:36,380 that was the point so they they had 499 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:41,360 entrusted all the calls and and you know 500 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:44,570 and the letters and so forth to me and I 501 00:25:48,669 --> 00:25:47,210 responded by talking about as much I 502 00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:48,679 could and and started doing 503 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:51,320 presentations and before you know it I I 504 00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:54,200 as I said had a bit of a rep when it 505 00:25:59,530 --> 00:25:57,350 comes to UFOs and and then in the 506 00:26:00,820 --> 00:25:59,540 process of doing further research so I 507 00:26:03,370 --> 00:26:00,830 wanted to know more I was 508 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:03,380 puzzled from a scientific standpoint you 509 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:05,320 know what if there really is no real 510 00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:07,490 phenomenon why are people seeing these 511 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:09,260 things what are what's really going on 512 00:26:12,910 --> 00:26:11,150 and I thought well you know I'm gonna 513 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:12,920 dig around and see what other things 514 00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:15,890 have happened in my local area and by 515 00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:19,100 this time I had travelled all around my 516 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:21,260 province of Manitoba but also into North 517 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:23,690 Dakota into Minnesota and into Ontario 518 00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:25,790 but I want to know what about other 519 00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:27,590 local things and there had been a case 520 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:32,060 in 1967 that had attracted quite a lot 521 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:33,440 of attention at this time it was only 522 00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,820 about 10 years old and it involved a 523 00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:40,640 fellow who had been burned by a you know 524 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:42,380 what seemed to have been a flying saucer 525 00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:45,410 at a resort area not too far away from 526 00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:48,500 the city here and in fact it's only 527 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,260 about an hour away from the United 528 00:26:58,030 --> 00:26:54,080 States border so I thought well tracked 529 00:27:02,110 --> 00:26:58,040 this fellow down and I had a bit of an 530 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:02,120 in because as a kid I actually had hung 531 00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:05,690 around with his son and the fellow that 532 00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:07,820 the experience happened to was named 533 00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:10,670 Stefan mahalik and his son was Stan 534 00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:12,950 mahalik and I used to hang around ride 535 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:15,140 bikes and throw baseballs and stuff like 536 00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:17,390 that with with his son and so when I 537 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:20,990 came calling on their door to ask about 538 00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:24,410 UFOs they allowed me into their home 539 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:26,390 which was actually a bit of a rarity 540 00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,450 because they were so fed up with all the 541 00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:32,000 attention case had brought them that 542 00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:33,620 they weren't doing any media interviews 543 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:35,780 anymore but I wanted to talk about it 544 00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:38,200 from a you know a serious scientific 545 00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:40,520 investigation standpoint I want to know 546 00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:42,020 what really went on and is there any 547 00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:45,580 good solid evidence for it and they 548 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:49,100 really opened their home to me opened 549 00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:52,250 their access and I spent quite a lot of 550 00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:55,340 time and it it turned out that we were 551 00:28:01,090 --> 00:27:57,620 eventually contacted just in a matter of 552 00:28:04,060 --> 00:28:01,100 a year or two after after that sort of 553 00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:04,070 both four or five years after that by 554 00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:07,280 some TV stations and a number of 555 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:10,100 magazines and we actually did unsolved 556 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:11,690 mysteries they flew us down to they're 557 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,750 set to recreate 558 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:17,600 the case and we're on the first series 559 00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:20,930 of unsolved mysteries so it it really 560 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:22,670 was quite interesting to be involved in 561 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:26,510 a study because I got to understand a 562 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:28,310 little bit more about what really 563 00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:31,370 happened to the family and the idea 564 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:33,230 behind the book when they appeared 565 00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:35,690 actually came from Stan mahalik the son 566 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:38,780 who was just a matter of 9 or 10 years 567 00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:43,670 old at the time and his concern was you 568 00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:45,620 know it really was quite disruptive to 569 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:48,350 the family when all these strangers 570 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:50,750 appear in their doorsteps wanting to 571 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:54,290 talk to his dad about what had happened 572 00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:56,330 there was a Royal Canadian Mounted 573 00:29:01,000 --> 00:28:58,340 Police there was the Air Force there was 574 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:01,010 the United States Air Force there were a 575 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:03,290 series of other investigators and even 576 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:05,350 just people who were curious the media 577 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,330 were surrounding the house on almost a 578 00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:11,440 daily basis in the early days in fact 579 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:13,940 Stan's brother tells the story of how he 580 00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:16,850 had to go out in the morning sometime 581 00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:19,940 and sweep away the broken light bulbs 582 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:21,860 from the flash cameras that some of the 583 00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:24,560 newspapers had been using trying to get 584 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:26,870 a good shot of some of the people 585 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:29,570 peeking out between the curtains so it's 586 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:32,050 an interesting perspective on the case 587 00:29:39,550 --> 00:29:34,760 fallout in addition to the case itself 588 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:39,560 and I think the case is certainly one of 589 00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:43,430 the the best ever on record and people 590 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,870 have asked me well certainly not as good 591 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:46,880 as Roswell and you know I'm gonna say I 592 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,130 think in some ways even better than 593 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Roswell boy much more much more 594 00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:53,210 documented I mean I don't even know how 595 00:29:57,370 --> 00:29:55,190 anybody really could compare the into 596 00:29:59,710 --> 00:29:57,380 two because we know that Falcon Lake 597 00:30:01,930 --> 00:29:59,720 took a place I mean the the witness that 598 00:30:04,810 --> 00:30:01,940 came back ended up in the the hospital 599 00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,820 had burn marks all over him there was 600 00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:07,360 evidence that the objects had actually 601 00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:11,030 landed what tell us about the specifics 602 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:13,040 of the case now because this is this is 603 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:15,530 coming up or we just passed the 50th 604 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:17,870 anniversary I believe right the 50th 605 00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:19,310 anniversary of the event but we're 606 00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:21,980 actually in the 50th anniversary this 607 00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:24,560 year so a year later of the time when 608 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:27,800 metal fragments were found at the site 609 00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:29,990 and I'll get to that but for the people 610 00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:33,620 who don't know May twentieth 1967 611 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:35,390 Stephane mahalik who is an industrial 612 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:38,720 mechanic also a bit of a rock hound he 613 00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:40,910 was really fascinated he was a bit of a 614 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:43,430 an amateur geologist in the sense that 615 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:46,490 he was looking for you know interesting 616 00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:48,890 rocks he had actually staked some claims 617 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:53,480 the area just east of Winnipeg up here 618 00:30:58,890 --> 00:30:55,430 home of the Winnipeg Jets you may have 619 00:31:02,560 --> 00:30:58,900 heard of them if you're in Vegas anyways 620 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:02,570 the it's a quite rocky Precambrian 621 00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:04,940 shield there's some good quartz veins 622 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:06,800 there's actually a few gold mines and 623 00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:08,810 silver loads so he was looking for some 624 00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:13,040 silver and he had traveled out the 625 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:15,470 Friday night got up early Saturday 626 00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:18,710 morning first thing six o'clock left his 627 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:21,790 motel he had stayed overnight and 628 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:24,050 tromped into the bush it's heavily 629 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:27,800 forested although at this point in early 630 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:29,810 or mid-may there weren't a lot of leaves 631 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:33,470 on the trees yet but he found a couple 632 00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:35,510 of nice places was chipping away and by 633 00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,060 lunchtime he took a break sat down next 634 00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:40,880 to quite a large rock and was eating his 635 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:43,190 lunch when all of a sudden there was a 636 00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:45,410 commotion he was on a ridge overlooking 637 00:31:51,490 --> 00:31:48,950 a bit of a pond on which there was a lot 638 00:31:53,260 --> 00:31:51,500 of geese and the geese suddenly took off 639 00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:53,270 in flight he was concerned that perhaps 640 00:31:57,370 --> 00:31:55,040 there was some bearers around because 641 00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:57,380 there are barriers in the area looked 642 00:32:02,140 --> 00:31:58,760 around couldn't see barriers but he 643 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:02,150 looked up and there were two saucer 644 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:05,690 shaped objects up in the sky very very 645 00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:08,980 bright and shining bright white one came 646 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:12,260 down very close and landed on a rock 647 00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:15,950 outcropping about 150 feet away from him 648 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:19,580 and he as he watched it you know sort of 649 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:22,450 cooled down from bright white down to 650 00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:25,490 bright yellow orange red so forth to the 651 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:27,740 point it was just a silver thing and it 652 00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:29,690 looked like a classic Hollywood flying 653 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:33,820 saucer about 35 feet across 12 feet high 654 00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:36,410 there were bright lights coming out of 655 00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:40,790 some holes in the top and he had no idea 656 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:41,630 what this was he 657 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:43,910 is very puzzled nothing like this had 658 00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:45,860 ever happened in his experience and his 659 00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:48,260 first thought was this must be some sort 660 00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:52,700 of American secret something this was 67 661 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:55,280 so a little bit before Apollo landed on 662 00:33:00,910 --> 00:32:57,770 the moon so maybe it was some sort of 663 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:00,920 vertical takeoff and something but it 664 00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:02,570 certainly wasn't anything he was ever 665 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:04,670 familiar with he actually had a was in 666 00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,190 the the service he was fought in world 667 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:08,960 war ii was familiar with a lot of 668 00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:11,690 aircraft having been in the service but 669 00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:13,190 this was certainly not anything like 670 00:33:19,270 --> 00:33:16,460 that and he decided to keep an eye on it 671 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:19,280 to just try to understand what was in 672 00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:21,710 front of him so he started sketching it 673 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:24,740 and the lights were actually so bright 674 00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:26,510 coming out of this thing that he had a 675 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:29,270 visor that he was using welders goggles 676 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:33,410 to keep his eyes protected from the rock 677 00:33:36,970 --> 00:33:34,970 shards when he was chipping away at 678 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:36,980 things flipped down the dark part knee 679 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:38,210 and it was good because he could just 680 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:41,410 barely contain the the light with that 681 00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:44,510 and eventually got brave enough because 682 00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:46,700 he figured this must be definitely some 683 00:33:51,250 --> 00:33:49,550 sort of American secret weapon so he got 684 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:51,260 up after about a half an hour watching 685 00:33:57,010 --> 00:33:54,530 this thing and he walked towards it 686 00:34:00,670 --> 00:33:57,020 and as he's walking towards and there 687 00:34:04,030 --> 00:34:00,680 was a big whooshing of air being 688 00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:04,040 expelled from this thing and a door 689 00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:06,620 opened like an iris not an open and you 690 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:09,080 know around a corner door but an iris of 691 00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,450 some sort open and bright lights were 692 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:12,800 flooding out of this doorway and he 693 00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:15,129 could hear high-pitched squeaky voices 694 00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:17,780 that he couldn't quite make out what 695 00:34:21,369 --> 00:34:19,460 they were saying and he thought well 696 00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,379 it's definitely Americans then he could 697 00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:24,560 hear them so he walked up to them up to 698 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:26,540 this thing and shouted out come on 699 00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:28,610 Yankee boys come on out I'll help you 700 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:30,500 fix your broken-down flying machine 701 00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:32,120 because obviously they had landed for 702 00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:35,659 repairs and the voices stopped and he 703 00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:38,629 thought oh no it's not Americans so it's 704 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:40,820 the rush of so he called out he happened 705 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:43,850 to be multilingual called out in Russian 706 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:46,490 the same greeting voices didn't start 707 00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:48,889 again called out in German called out in 708 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:50,540 French but he knew a little bit of 709 00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:53,210 Italian and by this time he was standing 710 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:54,429 right next to it 711 00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:58,450 he put one hand on the side of this this 712 00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:00,790 thing notice that it was a very shiny 713 00:35:05,609 --> 00:35:03,849 metal but couldn't see any seams or 714 00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,619 rivets was very puzzled by this he was a 715 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:08,079 mechanic so he was very curious he was 716 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:10,270 wearing rubberized gloves and as he 717 00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:12,609 tried to look inside this little door 718 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:15,640 his hand got very hot he pulled it away 719 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:17,770 because his rubberized glove had started 720 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:19,150 to melt because the sight of this thing 721 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:21,880 was very very hot all of a sudden the 722 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:24,790 door shut and the entire thing rotated 723 00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:26,890 so that in front of him now was an 724 00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:30,339 exhaust vent of some kind and a blast of 725 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:32,920 hot gas shot out of this thing knocking 726 00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,450 him to the ground setting his clothes on 727 00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:36,640 fire and the thing took off and flew 728 00:35:43,049 --> 00:35:38,349 away joining the other one in the sky 729 00:35:46,049 --> 00:35:43,059 and disappeared and the case sort of 730 00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:46,059 unfolded from that he eventually got 731 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:50,500 back to civilization he was about a good 732 00:35:58,049 --> 00:35:54,180 a mile or so away from the nearest town 733 00:36:00,089 --> 00:35:58,059 got his family to meet him at the 734 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:00,099 airport at the bus station actually and 735 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:03,130 took him to a hospital he was treated in 736 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:05,290 the emergency room of the hospital for 737 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,049 first and second-degree burns and the 738 00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,960 story then started coming out and you 739 00:36:13,819 --> 00:36:12,400 know when you hear this type of thing 740 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:13,829 you just say well it's it's it's 741 00:36:20,339 --> 00:36:17,410 completely ridiculous I mean this this 742 00:36:24,089 --> 00:36:20,349 couldn't possibly happen and yet we have 743 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:24,099 the medical records we you know we I 744 00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,930 spent some time talking with the fellow 745 00:36:30,539 --> 00:36:28,000 he definitely did have first and second 746 00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:30,549 degree burns and then when the case was 747 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:32,020 investigated by the Royal Canadian 748 00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:33,430 Mounted Police and the Royal Canadian 749 00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:35,950 Air Force and eventually the Condon 750 00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:37,510 committee through the United States Air 751 00:36:45,329 --> 00:36:41,140 Force they all investigated the site and 752 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:45,339 we have literally hundreds of documents 753 00:36:52,319 --> 00:36:48,190 from the Canadians and Americans on the 754 00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,329 investigation of the case and the Royal 755 00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:53,680 Canadian Mounted Police and the Royal 756 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:55,660 Canadian Air Force both said that they 757 00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:57,220 cannot come up with a satisfactory 758 00:37:02,880 --> 00:36:59,290 explanation for what happened and that's 759 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:02,890 just the beginning because there was 760 00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:05,950 also radioactive material found at the 761 00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:07,590 site the 762 00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:10,820 the RCMP and the Air Force took samples 763 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:14,340 sent them to a crime lab sent them to an 764 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:19,500 atomic energy lab for testing and in 765 00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:22,470 fact the samples were so radioactive and 766 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:25,590 I mean I'm gonna actually quote from the 767 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:28,170 Canadian Air Force Operations Center 768 00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,490 memo 769 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:32,400 it says the report indicates a radiation 770 00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:35,310 value of 0.3 micro Curie's in the soil 771 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:38,580 sample the radiation is from a radium 772 00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,130 source and is possible serious health 773 00:37:46,850 --> 00:37:44,700 hazard and that's from the Royal 774 00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:46,860 Canadian Air Force that there actually 775 00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:50,040 was a danger to the public and as a 776 00:37:54,590 --> 00:37:51,420 matter of fact the wrong Canadian Air 777 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:54,600 Force considered closing this area which 778 00:37:59,570 --> 00:37:57,420 is a resort area because they thought 779 00:38:02,570 --> 00:37:59,580 the radiation level is so high and I 780 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:02,580 even sent investigators to a nuclear 781 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:05,730 waste dump which is some distance away 782 00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,530 but they figured maybe somebody had dug 783 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:09,420 up something from the nuclear waste dump 784 00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:12,990 and seeded this area with radioactive 785 00:38:18,110 --> 00:38:15,900 debris for whatever reason so you have 786 00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:18,120 radiation you have physical injuries to 787 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:19,950 a person we have the documentation of 788 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:21,870 the investigation from a number of 789 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:25,290 different agencies and the site is known 790 00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:29,010 in fact this is a like Roswell in in a 791 00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:30,660 number of ways you can actually take 792 00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:34,140 tours by horseback because it's actually 793 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:39,060 rugged country to get there and there 794 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:42,180 are just over the past few years they've 795 00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:45,510 started having sort of flying saucer 796 00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:48,780 days and having a bit of a mini festival 797 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:50,430 and things like that I we've just came 798 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:52,530 back from there speaking at it so it 799 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:54,690 shows you the movie what we have to we 800 00:39:02,120 --> 00:38:57,330 have to add that to our list of towns 801 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:02,130 that celebrate a UFO day that I mean but 802 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:05,130 they had something very unusual there 803 00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,240 and I don't want to stop you from 804 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:08,700 talking about the case but is it that 805 00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,110 this the first time that any government 806 00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:13,380 is really kind of supported or back to 807 00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,180 case by issuing a commemorative a coin 808 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,260 yeah it's the first one that I'm aware 809 00:39:23,090 --> 00:39:20,640 of 810 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:23,100 we were approached just saying postage 811 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:24,630 stamps there are a few countries that 812 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:27,660 have put out the postage stamp Sir Eric 813 00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:29,250 gairy from Grenada 814 00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:31,350 I know did a whole series of postage 815 00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:32,940 stamps when he was revved up there at 816 00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,300 the you know the UN to have his UFO 817 00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:38,760 disclosure talking all but other than 818 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:40,230 that no commemorative coins that I'm 819 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:42,570 aware of unless you go back to the 1400s 820 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,210 I think there's one over France of a UFO 821 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:47,760 right but that that would be worth more 822 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:50,730 than $20 yeah and it's pretty Canada's 823 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:52,170 pretty progressive they actually have a 824 00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:54,210 series of commemorative coins for 825 00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:56,790 classic ghost cases that came out a few 826 00:40:02,810 --> 00:39:57,660 years ago 827 00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:02,820 so the trend into UFOs is a natural 828 00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:06,060 progression I think okay but so now when 829 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,630 did the coin go on go on sale now I 830 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:12,240 think if people go to our blog Tim how 831 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,270 do they get to find the spectre spectrum 832 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:17,460 our blogs there's a photograph of the 833 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:20,930 coin spectravision effect revision 3.com 834 00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:24,270 karma tried to stay just google spectral 835 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:27,990 spectral vision and the whole felt good 836 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:29,670 like a case in there but there's a in 837 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:32,760 fact photographs of the the main the 838 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:35,250 witness it was burned but okay well 839 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:37,230 crystal were there other reports around 840 00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:40,410 the same time from this area there were 841 00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:43,740 a few there did end up interviewing a 842 00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:44,940 number of people who said that they had 843 00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:48,500 seen seen similar things in the area 844 00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:51,150 around the same time you know that I 845 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:53,580 think the closest one was about maybe 846 00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:55,890 about you know 20 miles away or 847 00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,200 something like that and and maybe a week 848 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,260 or two distant so nothing around exactly 849 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:03,000 the same time but you know in the 850 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:05,070 general area I mean Canada had a similar 851 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:08,490 flap in fact 1967 was was really big in 852 00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,050 Canada just like it was around the year 853 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,200 around the world I mean the classic case 854 00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:15,300 that most people know about for Canada's 855 00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:17,750 shag harbour that took place also in 856 00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:21,720 1967 in October but all through 1967 857 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:23,600 there were a number of fascinating cases 858 00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:27,960 and because of the investigations of the 859 00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,030 Royal Canadian Air Force and the Mounted 860 00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,240 Police into the Falcon Lake case when 861 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:34,560 other interesting cases 862 00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:36,750 popped up that year in the middle of the 863 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:41,310 summer they actually sent teams out to 864 00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,010 gather radio to gather debris and 865 00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:46,260 materials and soil so forth to test them 866 00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:48,150 for radiation and that's this was one of 867 00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:50,580 the the Spurs actually for the belief 868 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:53,640 that UFO sites were radioactive because 869 00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:56,460 the Falcon Lake site had radioactivity 870 00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:58,650 so they assumed that other sites would 871 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:00,030 so they actually started sending out 872 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:01,650 teams and I'm not talking about MUFON 873 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:03,510 I'm talking about the you know the Air 874 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:07,050 Force and the the police to send out 875 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:10,260 teams with Geiger counters and so forth 876 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:12,450 and scintillation meters to test for 877 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:14,790 radiation and it's quite interesting to 878 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:16,770 see the documentation from these cases 879 00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,930 that are related to so you know as I say 880 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:20,880 we have literally hundreds upon hundreds 881 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:23,370 of cases that of documents that are 882 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:25,170 related to this particular case and 883 00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:28,410 that's also quite unusual I mean the the 884 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:30,120 American government still doesn't admit 885 00:42:34,610 --> 00:42:31,650 that anything happened at Roswell at all 886 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:34,620 and yet the Canadian government does say 887 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:36,210 that yes something very unusual happened 888 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:38,490 we can't explain it and this is our 889 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:40,850 detailed investigations in fact there's 890 00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:44,610 you know interviews with police officers 891 00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:48,420 and the I know the Air Force interviewed 892 00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:51,510 the motel owner and the chambermaid and 893 00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,400 and everybody the place people who 894 00:42:59,720 --> 00:42:56,040 worked with mr. mahalik at his place of 895 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,730 work so you know there's in detailed 896 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:01,440 interviews and investigations and 897 00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:03,930 transcripts I can't think about another 898 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:06,870 case that it has such incredible detail 899 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:09,570 from an official standpoint plus the 900 00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:11,910 physical evidence itself and I have to 901 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:14,550 say we still actually have some of the 902 00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:18,450 physical evidence from 51 years ago in 903 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:21,900 fact the torn undershirt that mr. 904 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:23,610 mahalik worn that has actually burned 905 00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:26,130 you can actually see the burns on it is 906 00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:28,350 still in existence fifty-one years ago I 907 00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:30,990 know my wife says I have shirts just as 908 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:34,380 old was to get rid of those and but we 909 00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:36,570 also have one other probably a few holes 910 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:39,120 that have two more holes that's true and 911 00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,010 we and we do have some of the 912 00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:43,680 radioactive metal now that's another 913 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:47,640 part of this story is that 914 00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:51,210 mr. mahalik went back to the site on the 915 00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:56,340 year anniversary so in 1968 and when he 916 00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,370 went back he and as when a friend who 917 00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:01,200 had gone with him dug around a little 918 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:04,200 bit and underneath the lichen and so 919 00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:07,410 forth they found radioactive pieces of 920 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:13,260 silver and he he took them back and also 921 00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,110 the once he told the RCMP and the RCAF 922 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:18,420 they went and got some samples as well 923 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:21,770 and this silver has been analyzed by 924 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:26,880 many many laboratories 925 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:29,370 I know University of Chicago had some of 926 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:31,830 the samples I think Arizona had some it 927 00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,810 was tested by a number of laboratories 928 00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:35,520 up here in Canada including the Atomic 929 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:38,840 Energy Commission of Canada and it is 930 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:43,470 fairly pure silver except that it is 931 00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:46,410 also radioactive which is quite unusual 932 00:44:56,090 --> 00:44:52,470 and I still have one of the pieces in in 933 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,100 our vault my own vault not the Bigelow 934 00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,520 vault but my own vault and it's it's 935 00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:01,500 still radioactive to the point it has to 936 00:45:08,810 --> 00:45:05,790 be in a protected case so it this case 937 00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:08,820 has everything you'd want including the 938 00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:12,120 fact that the witness himself you know 939 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:15,360 was interviewed many times and I spent 940 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:17,850 many many hours talking with him and his 941 00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:20,850 family after the point he died in in 942 00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:24,720 1999 so the purpose of writing our book 943 00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:29,460 was to set the facts straight there have 944 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:30,660 been a lot of things said about this 945 00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:32,460 case it's been you know published in 946 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,420 various forms over the years but Stan 947 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,920 mahalik wanted to tell the story from 948 00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:40,800 the family's perspective detailed my own 949 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:43,740 investigations we also you know reprint 950 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:46,490 a small pamphlet that mr. Morrow's 951 00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:51,330 produced back in 1968 at the urging of a 952 00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,740 number of individuals and so we have you 953 00:46:00,339 --> 00:45:58,140 know this is a really thorough survey of 954 00:46:02,650 --> 00:46:00,349 one of the most unique cases ever 955 00:46:04,839 --> 00:46:02,660 anywhere in the world well you know it 956 00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:04,849 is there are a couple of other burden 957 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,920 that cases I'm I know in our book UFO 958 00:46:12,249 --> 00:46:09,440 hostilities and the evil agenda of the 959 00:46:13,569 --> 00:46:12,259 aliens we we write up this case from the 960 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:13,579 Everglades where the Scoutmaster 961 00:46:20,229 --> 00:46:16,880 divergence back in 1952 I had a very 962 00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:20,239 similar you know experience now though 963 00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:21,950 in the the Falcon Lake case I was 964 00:46:26,349 --> 00:46:24,019 watching something on YouTube the other 965 00:46:28,979 --> 00:46:26,359 day and they reported that there were 966 00:46:31,779 --> 00:46:28,989 two humanoid beings that were seen 967 00:46:34,509 --> 00:46:31,789 inside the crest but I I think that was 968 00:46:37,089 --> 00:46:34,519 added later or added by them was it not 969 00:46:38,799 --> 00:46:37,099 yes they're in mr. Hawk definitely did 970 00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:38,809 not see anything I never reported 971 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:41,630 anything like that no well I guess that 972 00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:43,970 makes her enter good entertainment on 973 00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:46,430 there and that's he on TV or something 974 00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:48,529 and one of them look remarkably similar 975 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:54,380 to you Chris there you go but it it 976 00:47:00,849 --> 00:46:56,450 certainly is one of the most exciting 977 00:47:02,410 --> 00:47:00,859 cases and it has endured so you say now 978 00:47:06,249 --> 00:47:02,420 people actually meet there every year 979 00:47:09,789 --> 00:47:06,259 now they have a little gathering yes 980 00:47:13,029 --> 00:47:09,799 it's called the the Falcon link 981 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:13,039 encounter fest and they started doing 982 00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,049 this there they're bucking to get a nice 983 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:16,880 big sign and maybe a commemorative 984 00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:19,329 plaque or something like that and 985 00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:22,460 remember the old days where a town would 986 00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:24,950 never go for anything like that 987 00:47:31,509 --> 00:47:27,289 if anything they would want to sweep the 988 00:47:33,069 --> 00:47:31,519 a good UFO case you know a little under 989 00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:33,079 the cement in the main street of town 990 00:47:37,749 --> 00:47:35,420 now you've got I went to the one up in 991 00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:37,759 Pine Bush in New York this past summer 992 00:47:44,349 --> 00:47:42,079 and you become the one out in Oregon the 993 00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:44,359 commemorating the the sighting by that 994 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:45,940 elder the elderly couple 995 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:49,930 the I think was the the Reeves is it and 996 00:47:54,759 --> 00:47:52,249 Kelly Kentucky which is one of my 997 00:47:56,259 --> 00:47:54,769 favorite cases although all right tell 998 00:47:58,709 --> 00:47:56,269 me I got to interrupt you here because 999 00:48:12,840 --> 00:47:58,719 we have to go to Oregon to the our break 1000 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:17,320 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 1001 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:19,810 into the world of the paranoid 1002 00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:23,090 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1003 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:27,400 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1004 00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:31,850 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 1005 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:35,990 as well as other dimensions it's time to 1006 00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:40,490 take back the night night now your 1007 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:42,740 electrifying hosts of exploring the 1008 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:51,900 right here we are back second hour of 1009 00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:53,650 exploring the bazaar and tonight we are 1010 00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:56,920 talking with Chris Bukowski and Nigel 1011 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:00,400 Watson and Tim let's bring Nigel back 1012 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:04,210 into the conversation I think that we 1013 00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:07,660 were trying to get up to a Nigel story 1014 00:49:16,349 --> 00:49:11,950 about the the Red Baron and and here's 1015 00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:16,359 possible a UFO connection so Nigel why 1016 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:19,150 don't you talk to us about that all 1017 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:21,609 right well the story goes 1018 00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:25,390 but Manfred von Richthofen otherwise 1019 00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:28,390 known as a Red Baron shot down a massive 1020 00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:37,510 UFO in the spring of 1917 and apparently 1021 00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:41,920 a craft at it looked like a silver 1022 00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:44,740 colored saucer about 156 feet in 1023 00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:48,880 diameter and adds orange lights on it 1024 00:49:55,890 --> 00:49:54,040 and it kind of just for some reason you 1025 00:50:00,930 --> 00:49:55,900 know I suppose with him being the Red 1026 00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:00,940 Baron he decided to shoot you you you 1027 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:05,260 you say this firmly planted in cheek I I 1028 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:09,490 suspect I mean what what sort of 1029 00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:11,950 documentation might there be for this 1030 00:50:21,780 --> 00:50:17,230 strange well for weekly world news 1031 00:50:23,849 --> 00:50:21,790 oh no no no well there's a very reliable 1032 00:50:25,050 --> 00:50:23,859 source but you know I must say one thing 1033 00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,060 about the weekly world news 1034 00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:27,280 I used to advertise our books in there 1035 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,520 almost every week oh my god we'd run in 1036 00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:33,040 it and we get 400 orders I mean for some 1037 00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:35,560 some of the the books they you know 1038 00:50:38,609 --> 00:50:37,300 they're still in existence on the 1039 00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,619 internet every once in a while they'll 1040 00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:40,720 pop up and and review something although 1041 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:43,030 it has nothing to do with the original 1042 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:46,740 owners was the Enquirer of course but 1043 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:50,410 yet I realized that in your in your 1044 00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:52,810 career as a writer that was one of the 1045 00:50:59,339 --> 00:50:57,040 more shaky cases but you certainly did 1046 00:51:02,700 --> 00:50:59,349 get a lot of attention on it just as you 1047 00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:02,710 managed to get attention for our 1048 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:06,280 UFO hostilities a book with a little 1049 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:07,930 story that you placed about Carole 1050 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:11,530 Lombard who whose plane was downed 1051 00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:14,290 apparently by three UFOs or had 1052 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:15,820 something to do with it whether there's 1053 00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:17,860 a legitimate story because I have seen 1054 00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:23,590 the the FBI files on that apparently the 1055 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:26,230 plane that crashed killing 22 people on 1056 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:28,810 board near the Grand Canyon or in the 1057 00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:32,890 Grand Canyon and the pilot apparently 1058 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:35,320 had maneuvered over into that area 1059 00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:37,600 because there had been sightings of 1060 00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:39,670 three strange lights in the sky not only 1061 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:41,560 did he see them but they had been 1062 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:44,710 reported for several days before the 1063 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:48,730 episode yeah yep 1064 00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:51,490 I think the combination of celebrity 1065 00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,460 death and flying saucers is cry a 1066 00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,040 winning combination well you know I'm 1067 00:52:02,160 --> 00:51:59,200 stuck in the middle and this the current 1068 00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,170 issue of the fourteen times sometimes 1069 00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:04,000 can be very whimsical 1070 00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:08,260 there is a cover story Jackie Gleason's 1071 00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:11,740 UFO the sighting of aliens where he was 1072 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:15,400 taken by supposedly by Richard Nixon to 1073 00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:19,810 the air force base in in Florida and saw 1074 00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:23,860 these bodies in a in a freezer and you 1075 00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:27,640 know somehow it is suggested that I am 1076 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:31,360 responsible for propagating this the 1077 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:33,850 story because Larry Warren told me that 1078 00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:36,520 he had talked to Jackie Gleason and I 1079 00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:39,460 simply reported what what he he told me 1080 00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:41,260 I mean I didn't had a word to the 1081 00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:43,180 conversation I mean that's one thing 1082 00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:45,670 when I'm acting as a journalist and I 1083 00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:47,950 interview you I'm not gonna change I'll 1084 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:51,520 take the the hems of the hose out but I 1085 00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:53,770 won't change anything in fact I remember 1086 00:52:59,940 --> 00:52:56,440 I was at a mutant conference and I was 1087 00:53:03,090 --> 00:52:59,950 talking to a Tracy at Torme I introduced 1088 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:03,100 myself of course II produced the Travis 1089 00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:05,650 Walton of fire in the sky movie and I 1090 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:08,080 said you know a Tracy I interviewed your 1091 00:53:13,070 --> 00:53:10,450 father many years ago his father was a 1092 00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:13,080 famous singer in the Velvet fog it was a 1093 00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:15,430 Mel Torme and I said you know I 1094 00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:16,420 interviewed you 1095 00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:18,340 father about his UFO sighting that he 1096 00:53:21,870 --> 00:53:20,440 had while he was walking his dog through 1097 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:21,880 Central Park it was not a particularly 1098 00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:23,620 spectacular sighting but it was a 1099 00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:25,720 celebrity piece and that's what the 1100 00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:28,720 Enquirer like and he said yes my father 1101 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:30,700 said that was the most accurately quoted 1102 00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:32,170 article that anyone had ever written 1103 00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:35,560 about it and so there you go I mean I 1104 00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:38,140 tried to you know it's different if I'm 1105 00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:41,110 speculating but if I'm reporting 1106 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:43,360 somebody else's event why do you have to 1107 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:46,450 add to it I mean did these stories or I 1108 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:48,370 used to tell the editors of the old days 1109 00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:51,130 don't make this stuff up because this is 1110 00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,540 the stuff that really happens is much 1111 00:53:56,130 --> 00:53:54,160 more interesting than the Weekly World 1112 00:53:58,170 --> 00:53:56,140 News would even report you know I mean 1113 00:54:01,680 --> 00:53:58,180 people being burned and people being 1114 00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:01,690 abducted in in what have you you know so 1115 00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:03,940 would you say that that Red Baron put 1116 00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:06,820 you on the map over there or what you 1117 00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:10,390 have a big book though of UFO sightings 1118 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:12,940 right did you have a book that was 1119 00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:16,450 mainly like encounters at all yeah I did 1120 00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:20,320 I'm you for investigations manual for a 1121 00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:22,900 Haines normally do 1122 00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:26,950 motoring manuals you know for repair in 1123 00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:29,080 specific cars and we usually quite 1124 00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:32,380 detailed chapters on how to remove an 1125 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:35,830 engine from a Toyota Rio Ford Escort or 1126 00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:39,130 something and but they went into doing 1127 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:42,700 some more obscure books and mine came 1128 00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:46,710 under that category but rather than do a 1129 00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:51,070 solvent investigators manually it's more 1130 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:54,340 of a book about the history of you for 1131 00:55:01,200 --> 00:54:57,570 ufology and now we evolved from 1132 00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:01,210 sightings back in the 19th century right 1133 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:04,780 through to you know Project Blue Book 1134 00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:07,810 and I know it's classification systems 1135 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:10,180 and their Nova different theories 1136 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:15,460 surrounding UFOs and things like I think 1137 00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:18,370 we've it's a terrestrial point of view 1138 00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:21,460 but from from a more British point of 1139 00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:24,040 view there's also a bit more reliance on 1140 00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:27,880 things like ley lines and those being 1141 00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:30,190 part of a landscape things like 1142 00:55:37,860 --> 00:55:34,390 and prehistoric sites which it seems to 1143 00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:37,870 be something that's more natural to say 1144 00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:42,430 British ufology even American ufology 1145 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:45,880 which is a bit more related to things 1146 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,650 like Ross well really and these British 1147 00:55:55,290 --> 00:55:52,720 sightings along the ley lines and near 1148 00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:55,300 the monuments that these monuments are 1149 00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:59,050 actually causing some sort of phenomena 1150 00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:01,900 I mean here here we have a lot of cases 1151 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:05,590 that take place near high tension right 1152 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:08,290 away which seem to maybe have something 1153 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:12,250 to do with the the witnesses going into 1154 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:16,450 a state of us osmosis or being paralyzed 1155 00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:19,570 and having encounters while they're 1156 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:21,220 actually you know they can be seated in 1157 00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:22,570 the chair and still in bed and they 1158 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:24,550 claim that they're traveling out of the 1159 00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,160 body or have been to somewhere else do 1160 00:56:30,270 --> 00:56:28,720 you think those monuments have something 1161 00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:30,280 that the energy has something to do with 1162 00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:32,950 it um yeah I think it does in the sense 1163 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:36,040 that monuments have always had a mistake 1164 00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:38,410 about them and people seeing ghosts or 1165 00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:42,670 um fairies of our legends linked with 1166 00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,160 these stones because I still we don't 1167 00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:47,200 really know who created them and 1168 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:50,470 different cults like the Druids have 1169 00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:53,260 kind of attached themselves to to the 1170 00:56:59,340 --> 00:56:56,380 monuments who you know celebrates the 1171 00:57:02,660 --> 00:56:59,350 solstice and things but and also people 1172 00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:02,670 have seen a UFO so crop circles near 1173 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:06,460 Stonehenge and avi over numerous rivers 1174 00:57:16,050 --> 00:57:12,610 literally hundreds of prehistoric stones 1175 00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:16,060 all over Britain do you think do you 1176 00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:17,940 think that the the crop circles are 1177 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:22,060 legit well I I tend to think of them as 1178 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:25,930 alien graffiti and have polluting our 1179 00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:28,690 countryside with these stupid messages 1180 00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:31,660 and I think they look really beautiful 1181 00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:36,100 but I've never really taken them on 1182 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:38,350 board really because I think something 1183 00:57:44,780 --> 00:57:42,010 of a summer fashion if you know I mean 1184 00:57:47,490 --> 00:57:44,790 and you know perhaps some of 1185 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:47,500 genuinely puzzling and some people think 1186 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:50,530 we might be created by you know plasma 1187 00:57:56,010 --> 00:57:53,530 vortexes or unusual natural phenomenon 1188 00:58:00,960 --> 00:57:56,020 and of course other people to save of 1189 00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:00,970 just carefully plotted things by fakers 1190 00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:03,940 who love it as a kind of summer hot 1191 00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:08,320 hobby but I think is it's difficult 1192 00:58:12,930 --> 00:58:10,840 because some of them are so complex and 1193 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:12,940 it seems a lot of hard work especially 1194 00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:16,690 working at night to produce such well 1195 00:58:23,850 --> 00:58:19,600 well thought-out patterns on such a 1196 00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:23,860 large scale so even if it is fakers were 1197 00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:25,720 very skilled at what they're doing and 1198 00:58:31,620 --> 00:58:28,990 it makes you wonder why we keep 1199 00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:31,630 returning because it's a law of 1200 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:35,020 diminishing returns I think in the past 1201 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:38,650 that were very popular but now we've 1202 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:41,290 probably you know how to sell by date if 1203 00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:45,490 you know what I mean how about how about 1204 00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:49,920 we had Alan Godfrey on oh yeah last week 1205 00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:52,270 what's your take on now there's there's 1206 00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:55,270 a case of UFO hostility if there ever 1207 00:59:01,260 --> 00:58:58,690 was one if we're led to believe that mr. 1208 00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,270 Adamski which is certainly a somewhat of 1209 00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:03,040 a synchronicity I know I'm bigger 1210 00:59:09,390 --> 00:59:04,990 synchronicities I've written about 1211 00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:09,400 philip k dick in that one I kind of put 1212 00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:12,400 as a low-grade synchronicity and danske 1213 00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:14,440 of course being the famous contactee but 1214 00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,120 they're probably a lot of Polish people 1215 00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:18,400 that emigrated to that area of England 1216 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:20,560 and therefore Adamski would be a more 1217 00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:22,090 common name than you would find here 1218 00:59:25,890 --> 00:59:24,040 that's my thinking on that just didn't 1219 00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:25,900 try to rationalize it but how do you 1220 00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:29,440 think he got up in the coal pile well 1221 00:59:35,730 --> 00:59:32,560 that's a basic puzzle about that is it 1222 00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:35,740 was also the fact that the body seems to 1223 00:59:42,030 --> 00:59:38,110 be moved for some later date but it's 1224 00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:42,040 hard to know how it got there and where 1225 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:44,260 his body was between when he disappeared 1226 00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:46,510 and when he was found on the court it 1227 00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:49,240 apparently it was quite near a railway 1228 00:59:55,770 --> 00:59:51,960 line so it would have been easy to spot 1229 00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:55,780 if he'd been there shortly after he 1230 01:00:00,480 --> 00:59:58,060 disappeared and it's also 1231 01:00:04,110 --> 01:00:00,490 we've covered in coincidence thing is a 1232 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:04,120 first person to investigate the case of 1233 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:08,650 Adamski's discovery is what saw Alan 1234 01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:11,170 Godfrey would later add his abduction 1235 01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:14,200 experience so was was that synchronicity 1236 01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:19,390 as well really which is you know quite a 1237 01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:25,720 powerful synchronicity if you know even 1238 01:00:31,770 --> 01:00:29,470 another case the scoring to the mystery 1239 01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:31,780 are you familiar with that oh yeah where 1240 01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:34,360 the main witness there was yam ski you 1241 01:00:38,010 --> 01:00:36,460 know that one I don't remember the whole 1242 01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:38,020 details of it I've often thought about 1243 01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:39,430 reprinting the book because I'm sure 1244 01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:40,960 it's in public domain and publishers 1245 01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:46,240 nonsense level spirit level spirit who 1246 01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:49,980 wrote the book Alain buckle I think she 1247 01:00:58,020 --> 01:00:55,900 she died fairly recently and that's a 1248 01:01:01,890 --> 01:00:58,030 very interesting case because I think 1249 01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:01,900 it's somebody called alpha Bryant said 1250 01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:08,230 he saw a UFO land and he met an occupant 1251 01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:10,300 a humanoid occupant who called himself 1252 01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:13,270 young ski and apparently the site in the 1253 01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:16,150 curve the day after George Adamski had 1254 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:18,910 died so the assumption was this was a 1255 01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:22,090 sovery incarnation of George Adamski as 1256 01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:28,960 an alien and was quite a few different 1257 01:01:33,810 --> 01:01:31,240 elements I think there's a few Greek 1258 01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:33,820 letters found or something as somewhat 1259 01:01:39,420 --> 01:01:37,240 it's a huge correctly I used to sell the 1260 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:39,430 book in the nineteen I guess so like 1261 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:42,490 nineteen sixties it was quite it was 1262 01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:45,090 quite a huge book if I remember 1263 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:48,670 correctly but that always was certainly 1264 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:51,250 an intriguing case and synchronicities 1265 01:01:55,770 --> 01:01:54,250 do pop up from time to time now there 1266 01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,780 are other people you talk about 1267 01:02:00,570 --> 01:01:57,280 reincarnation why don't think you have a 1268 01:02:04,110 --> 01:02:00,580 time to reincarnate in just a few days 1269 01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:04,120 like that but there have been cases that 1270 01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:05,950 I know of that have been reported to me 1271 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:09,070 where people have had encounters with 1272 01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:11,450 the UFOs and they have seen their 1273 01:02:16,510 --> 01:02:13,910 their loved ones are departed members of 1274 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:16,520 their family on board a where after I 1275 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:19,510 did a book with the Diane testman UFOs 1276 01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:22,610 heavenly something or like it so many 1277 01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:24,470 books in titles that's that's 1278 01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:25,880 embarrassing but you can always look it 1279 01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:28,550 up it's a lot a lot of care a lot of 1280 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:30,080 cases like that are quite a few cases 1281 01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:33,850 and of course we have the the June 24th 1282 01:02:38,170 --> 01:02:36,710 enigma where over a dozen UFO 1283 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:38,180 researchers have passed away on the 1284 01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:42,170 anniversary of sighting and Ken are no 1285 01:02:45,610 --> 01:02:43,550 believe it or not did not believe the 1286 01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:45,620 UFOs were from outer space he thought 1287 01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:48,380 that they were vessels that were coming 1288 01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,360 to take the departed souls over to the 1289 01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:52,640 other side so that seems to tie in if 1290 01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,880 anything would do that you know a tip so 1291 01:03:01,360 --> 01:02:58,400 I mean would you would you take on what 1292 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:01,370 would you say is the comparison with the 1293 01:03:10,180 --> 01:03:06,370 British UFO ufology and American ufology 1294 01:03:13,450 --> 01:03:10,190 well well I just would was wanting to 1295 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:13,460 comment you know take a go back just a 1296 01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:14,450 little bit you talk about the crop 1297 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:19,310 circles and I know that a number of the 1298 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:22,610 crop circle artists are hoaxers whatever 1299 01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:23,810 you would want to describe you know 1300 01:03:29,590 --> 01:03:27,680 describe them have reported that while 1301 01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:29,600 they were in the process you know out in 1302 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:31,520 the field the middle of the night that 1303 01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:37,490 they experienced unusual phenomena while 1304 01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:38,990 this was taking place you know they 1305 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:42,380 lights in the sky balls of light that 1306 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:44,000 would follow them around in the field 1307 01:03:48,730 --> 01:03:46,250 strange voices some of them even 1308 01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:48,740 reported seen like you know strange 1309 01:03:53,290 --> 01:03:51,500 glowing figures off in the distance 1310 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:53,300 watching them and then and then later 1311 01:03:58,810 --> 01:03:55,730 you know people who would come to these 1312 01:04:00,670 --> 01:03:58,820 circles just to just to check them out 1313 01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,680 would also report 1314 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:02,960 you know like unusual events taking 1315 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:06,170 place so you know it's just it makes me 1316 01:04:11,470 --> 01:04:08,810 wonder going back to the whole you know 1317 01:04:13,450 --> 01:04:11,480 ley line yeah theories and things like 1318 01:04:17,350 --> 01:04:13,460 that whether or not these crop circles 1319 01:04:20,290 --> 01:04:17,360 are almost some kind of like a what's 1320 01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:20,300 the word like a like a sigil or a signal 1321 01:04:24,359 --> 01:04:21,950 I'm not probably not pronouncing that 1322 01:04:29,059 --> 01:04:24,369 correctly you know like a miss 1323 01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:29,069 symbol that seems to almost provoke 1324 01:04:37,019 --> 01:04:33,119 various types of paranormal activities I 1325 01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:37,029 think that's interesting about in a way 1326 01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:42,630 people feel empowered or something - in 1327 01:04:48,509 --> 01:04:46,660 - to create these circles and like the 1328 01:04:52,289 --> 01:04:48,519 very intricate was a lot of hard work 1329 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:52,299 put into them just just for simple 1330 01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:54,730 fakery it's it it seems like there's 1331 01:05:00,539 --> 01:04:56,980 more of an impulse to create these 1332 01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:00,549 things and perhaps equating that with 1333 01:05:05,999 --> 01:05:03,039 like stained circle stripes people were 1334 01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:06,009 impelled to sort of create them just as 1335 01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:10,809 a way people were created cathedrals of 1336 01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:12,599 things you know would have a spiritual 1337 01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:16,480 vision or something which often has 1338 01:05:22,650 --> 01:05:20,049 caused people to to build cathedrals out 1339 01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:22,660 so certain occasions you feel like 1340 01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,079 perhaps you know there is something you 1341 01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:28,480 know quite mystical about the fact that 1342 01:05:33,329 --> 01:05:31,089 people create things as a resort of 1343 01:05:36,539 --> 01:05:33,339 something you know beyond our 1344 01:05:38,430 --> 01:05:36,549 understanding and we interpret it in 1345 01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:38,440 different ways I think they're so 1346 01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:41,200 business about say reincarnated people 1347 01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:45,640 on flying saucers weaves traditional 1348 01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:49,150 folklore with the ofing about spaceships 1349 01:06:00,960 --> 01:05:57,960 reusing that vo thing about aliens to 1350 01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:00,970 bring back ideas about folklore and 1351 01:06:10,859 --> 01:06:03,849 tradition but in a technical 1352 01:06:13,499 --> 01:06:10,869 technological manner well it it does 1353 01:06:16,049 --> 01:06:13,509 seem interesting to me that you know 1354 01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:16,059 that that these crop circles you know 1355 01:06:19,769 --> 01:06:17,859 they're either you're being produced or 1356 01:06:24,359 --> 01:06:19,779 they're you know they appear in the same 1357 01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:24,369 types of areas where you know there's a 1358 01:06:32,130 --> 01:06:28,180 long history of various kinds of 1359 01:06:34,890 --> 01:06:32,140 activity I mean I know that oh what's 1360 01:06:36,020 --> 01:06:34,900 the town Tim where the thing manifested 1361 01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:36,030 itself 1362 01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,750 one Minister warming oh that's that's 1363 01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:42,000 one of the one of my three UFO sightings 1364 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:45,500 was that the cradle the hill where 1365 01:06:49,820 --> 01:06:47,970 Arthur shuttle would went to it the 1366 01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:49,830 trunk of his car took out a big torch 1367 01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,080 light blinked it at the object in the 1368 01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:54,480 sky and it seemed to do a little bit of 1369 01:07:01,340 --> 01:06:57,960 a maneuvering around there kind of like 1370 01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,350 a marionette so I I often tell people 1371 01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,660 well that was my one attempt to 1372 01:07:09,350 --> 01:07:06,180 communicate with the UFO and if it was a 1373 01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:09,360 UFO it seems to have been successful I 1374 01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,910 mean it was it was either an optical 1375 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:13,680 illusion which it possibly could have 1376 01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:16,770 been the object was up rather high so it 1377 01:07:22,340 --> 01:07:19,260 wasn't down because a treetop level but 1378 01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,350 it wasn't really any trees it wasn't 1379 01:07:25,820 --> 01:07:24,240 down that low but this had happened on 1380 01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:25,830 many occasions and we didn't have other 1381 01:07:30,260 --> 01:07:27,960 witnesses there to it so I don't know 1382 01:07:33,110 --> 01:07:30,270 you know Asian Bunny you pays your money 1383 01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,120 and you take yeah let's uh let's bring 1384 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:35,520 Kris in here because I guess I are 1385 01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:39,690 talking about crop circles as spurred a 1386 01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:41,880 memory in him what what were you saying 1387 01:07:46,820 --> 01:07:44,400 Chris about the crop circles in Canada 1388 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:46,830 well yeah and while I wasn't doing my 1389 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:48,690 investigations of the Falcon Lake case I 1390 01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:49,890 was looking through the government 1391 01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:52,680 documents and the files and I found a 1392 01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:55,740 case that also occurred in 1967 the 1393 01:08:03,670 --> 01:07:57,630 month out or couple of months after and 1394 01:08:09,050 --> 01:08:03,680 I think July of 1967 in Alberta where 1395 01:08:13,850 --> 01:08:09,060 two large circles were found in a field 1396 01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:13,860 and this is 1967 and the case was 1397 01:08:18,730 --> 01:08:16,470 investigated by the rockety in air force 1398 01:08:23,059 --> 01:08:18,740 and you know detailed surveys 1399 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:23,069 photographs analysis of the material in 1400 01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,170 fact because the the link to the Falcon 1401 01:08:31,099 --> 01:08:27,600 Lake case was that because Falcon Lake 1402 01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,109 had occurred a few months earlier and 1403 01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,880 there was some radioactive material 1404 01:08:36,770 --> 01:08:34,319 found there they actually tested these 1405 01:08:39,289 --> 01:08:36,780 crop circles in Alberta for radiation 1406 01:08:42,620 --> 01:08:39,299 they turned up negative but because of 1407 01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:42,630 Falcon Lake their investigation was done 1408 01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,270 on the Alberta circles and that's 1967 1409 01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:47,880 that's that's many years before they 1410 01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:50,279 started coming and to you know really 1411 01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:54,089 forefront in England in the 1980s so and 1412 01:08:58,279 --> 01:08:55,049 the fact that they were actually 1413 01:09:00,339 --> 01:08:58,289 investigated by officials shows that 1414 01:09:03,499 --> 01:09:00,349 they were taken very seriously back then 1415 01:09:06,979 --> 01:09:03,509 mm-hmm well I mean I know I know that 1416 01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:06,989 there was some cases around the same 1417 01:09:15,049 --> 01:09:08,759 time maybe a little bit earlier in 1418 01:09:17,599 --> 01:09:15,059 Australia yeah yeah but none of these 1419 01:09:19,879 --> 01:09:17,609 were ever is elaborate as the ones that 1420 01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:19,889 eventually evolved there in England 1421 01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:23,609 exactly yeah well it's interesting also 1422 01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:28,799 mi5 investigated strange symbols and 1423 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:31,980 crop circles during the second world war 1424 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:35,489 and fought valorum produced by the nazis 1425 01:09:44,510 --> 01:09:39,449 so you know and I think there's also 1426 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:44,520 stories from the past of historical crop 1427 01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,770 circles I think when I first went to 1428 01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:49,440 warminster in the early seventies people 1429 01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:52,859 were talking about crop circles when I 1430 01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:54,750 think how for short would had mentioned 1431 01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:58,800 such things and you know that was before 1432 01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:01,320 the really took off and they solve more 1433 01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:03,480 industrial scale if you know what I mean 1434 01:10:10,819 --> 01:10:08,400 so you know so you know it's quite a 1435 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:10,829 complex subject really and it's quite 1436 01:10:16,850 --> 01:10:14,610 intriguing what also but it's a 1437 01:10:19,580 --> 01:10:16,860 worldwide phenomenon as well you know 1438 01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:19,590 well well in those days the the crop 1439 01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:22,679 circles were kind of skimpy and 1440 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:25,230 amateurish but they certainly weren't 1441 01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:27,570 the first crop circles I mean III know 1442 01:10:32,029 --> 01:10:28,980 and one of the books we published by 1443 01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:32,039 Jenny Randall's there is an illustration 1444 01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:34,949 that goes back to maybe 1640 or 1445 01:10:39,529 --> 01:10:36,750 something supposedly in the devil out 1446 01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,539 there you know with a machete or 1447 01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:42,840 something yeah hacking down the making a 1448 01:10:47,870 --> 01:10:45,150 some sort of circle and then they showed 1449 01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:47,880 up in in Australia and they called him 1450 01:10:55,029 --> 01:10:51,030 sorcery nest and I even remember back in 1451 01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:55,039 the 1960s investigating a case where 1452 01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:59,159 something had had come down in a caramel 1453 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:00,780 it was in New Jersey can't remember what 1454 01:11:05,979 --> 01:11:04,170 town it was offhand but that was a 1455 01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:05,989 circle in the ground more than it was 1456 01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:08,640 anything else I mean it could have been 1457 01:11:12,590 --> 01:11:11,219 done with a tractor although it left a 1458 01:11:16,459 --> 01:11:12,600 white circle and I don't know whether a 1459 01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:16,469 tractor could do that or not I'm not the 1460 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:19,110 beneficient on the other subject but I 1461 01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,330 remember in those days of course kind of 1462 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:24,060 quite a ruckus because it was at least 1463 01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:27,210 some physical evidence that something 1464 01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:29,550 supposedly had had landed in a 1465 01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:31,620 particular yeah out-of-the-way spot 1466 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:33,060 all right gentlemen I need to interrupt 1467 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:34,170 you here because we need to go to our 1468 01:11:38,660 --> 01:11:35,730 bottom of the hour break when we come 1469 01:11:51,470 --> 01:11:38,670 back we'll continue with more exploring 1470 01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:51,480 bizarre now back to exploring the 1471 01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,030 bazaars with two of the most 1472 01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:56,400 electrifying researchers in the Paranoid 1473 01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:00,210 your hosts Timothy beckoning and tense 1474 01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:05,460 lists welcome back and we're at the last 1475 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:07,260 segment of exploring the bizarre and 1476 01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:09,570 Christmas cows Sookie I want to ask you 1477 01:12:17,180 --> 01:12:12,590 about the Falcon Lake case now did 1478 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:17,190 Stefan III know that you know he had the 1479 01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:22,170 the burns on his on his abdomen but did 1480 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:26,360 he suffer any other kinds of ailments 1481 01:12:34,450 --> 01:12:29,730 after the fact well as a matter of fact 1482 01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:34,460 yes he continued to have some flare-ups 1483 01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:37,440 the the marks on his chest appeared to 1484 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:40,500 come and go in fact he was taken to 1485 01:12:44,959 --> 01:12:43,050 hospital a couple of times from what 1486 01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:44,969 apparently were some sort of allergy 1487 01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:48,719 attacks it's as if the gas that he was 1488 01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:51,780 exposed to had a chemical in it that got 1489 01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:54,540 into his his skin or his bloodstream or 1490 01:13:00,580 --> 01:12:58,320 something and it took a while for this 1491 01:13:03,979 --> 01:13:00,590 to you know get out of his system 1492 01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:03,989 because he would you know his hands and 1493 01:13:11,090 --> 01:13:07,980 chest and face swelled up and he was 1494 01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:11,100 dizzy he was actually taken to the Mayo 1495 01:13:18,020 --> 01:13:15,320 Clinic in Minnesota for a complete 1496 01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:18,030 medical workup which included a psyche 1497 01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:19,500 Patrick workup by the way and we 1498 01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:21,239 actually have the psychiatric report 1499 01:13:24,979 --> 01:13:23,070 which says that this is a fellow who 1500 01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:24,989 doesn't make stories up he's very 1501 01:13:30,819 --> 01:13:27,030 down-to-earth pardon the pun 1502 01:13:33,799 --> 01:13:30,829 but he he's very straightforward and 1503 01:13:36,589 --> 01:13:33,809 rock-solid and but the medical reports 1504 01:13:39,260 --> 01:13:36,599 showed that he suffered after the you 1505 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:39,270 know the after-effects of fainting spell 1506 01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,610 dizzy spells Plus these allergic 1507 01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:43,440 flare-ups which continued for a few 1508 01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:46,289 years after the fact hmm interesting 1509 01:13:53,540 --> 01:13:51,270 I've seen a picture I think it's on your 1510 01:13:57,010 --> 01:13:53,550 website or associated with your book of 1511 01:13:59,569 --> 01:13:57,020 what looks to be a piece of a man 1512 01:14:01,149 --> 01:13:59,579 man-made or you know intelligently 1513 01:14:04,549 --> 01:14:01,159 constructed piece of metal that 1514 01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:04,559 supposedly was found in the the cracks 1515 01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:06,750 at the location right that's what was 1516 01:14:10,459 --> 01:14:09,030 found the year after so in other words 1517 01:14:14,089 --> 01:14:10,469 this is the 50th anniversary of those 1518 01:14:16,609 --> 01:14:14,099 materials being found and that's I think 1519 01:14:19,069 --> 01:14:16,619 the one that's that's photographed there 1520 01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:19,079 is one that we still have in our 1521 01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,440 possession that we've continued to do 1522 01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:24,719 some tests on when we can but it's been 1523 01:14:29,689 --> 01:14:26,340 tested quite thoroughly by a number of 1524 01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:29,699 metallurgical labs and and other labs so 1525 01:14:34,549 --> 01:14:32,340 it's it's quite a fascinating thing it 1526 01:14:37,879 --> 01:14:34,559 looks man-made like it looks like it's a 1527 01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:37,889 like a not a standard crack but it is 1528 01:14:45,799 --> 01:14:40,920 melted silver and it is radioactive oh 1529 01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:45,809 so that that piece of kind of like 1530 01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,460 rectangular piece of metal is silver 1531 01:14:52,939 --> 01:14:50,400 yeah that's silver yeah oh wow okay 1532 01:14:54,859 --> 01:14:52,949 that's the the two-way and it has like 1533 01:14:57,770 --> 01:14:54,869 it has you know holes in it almost like 1534 01:15:00,020 --> 01:14:57,780 it's a not a being but you know I mean 1535 01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:00,030 you use the use the holes to like you 1536 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:01,409 know screw it into place or something 1537 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:04,010 like that oh that's that's just that's 1538 01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:06,449 fascinating because when you described 1539 01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:08,369 it originally a silver I was thinking 1540 01:15:13,129 --> 01:15:10,679 about you know like silver or you know I 1541 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:13,139 don't know this is actually like 1542 01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:16,650 commercial grade silver it's it's quite 1543 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:20,940 fascinating ha that that is and could 1544 01:15:28,669 --> 01:15:26,130 they tell what kind of you'd mentioned 1545 01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:28,679 radium but I know that there are 1546 01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:31,800 different kinds of radiation I know 1547 01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:33,990 like ionizing radiation and I don't 1548 01:15:42,140 --> 01:15:36,150 think of the rich but I mean could they 1549 01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:42,150 tell what kind of radiation irradiated 1550 01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:46,260 this metal and you know other parts of 1551 01:15:50,990 --> 01:15:48,390 that area well I mean there's certainly 1552 01:15:53,900 --> 01:15:51,000 alphas and betas that are still active 1553 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:53,910 they're the elements themselves the 1554 01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:56,730 radium was mentioned another report says 1555 01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:00,960 that it was a radioactive uranium and 1556 01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,480 certainly is there's uranium natural 1557 01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:05,550 uranium ore in the area pitchblende is 1558 01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:08,310 is found in the area so that's not 1559 01:16:16,730 --> 01:16:12,510 completely surprising but you know we've 1560 01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:16,740 had this on a spectral analyzer and you 1561 01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,080 know the peaks that come out you know 1562 01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:21,120 the elements that come out some indicate 1563 01:16:27,890 --> 01:16:25,110 radium some indicate uranium and a few 1564 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:27,900 other elements that you know have some 1565 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:32,970 peaks as well but it's a it's a it's a 1566 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:35,130 little tougher to I mean I understand 1567 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:36,330 some of the problems that they're going 1568 01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:38,010 through now they're shown with Jacques 1569 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:39,150 Vallee and he's been doing the 1570 01:16:44,180 --> 01:16:40,650 presentations now on some of the pieces 1571 01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:44,190 recovered from UFOs and and how 1572 01:16:49,340 --> 01:16:46,620 difficult that sometimes is to identify 1573 01:16:52,730 --> 01:16:49,350 some of the elements and the the 1574 01:16:54,830 --> 01:16:52,740 elements within there it's it's quite 1575 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:54,840 tricky to put this on a spectral 1576 01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:56,250 analyzer and to say this is definitely 1577 01:17:00,170 --> 01:16:58,020 what this is you got a number of Peaks 1578 01:17:02,270 --> 01:17:00,180 like like jagged lines and the 1579 01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:02,280 interpretation of that is left of the 1580 01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:04,380 physicists and depending on the 1581 01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:06,030 physicist and the time of day and maybe 1582 01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:08,100 the phase of the moon or something I 1583 01:17:10,970 --> 01:17:09,510 don't know it's it they have different 1584 01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:10,980 interpretations of what these things are 1585 01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:13,680 but at the very least radium and uranium 1586 01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:15,630 are the the two most common elements 1587 01:17:25,190 --> 01:17:21,600 that were found hmm now you said that by 1588 01:17:28,340 --> 01:17:25,200 the time that you you got to them and 1589 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:28,350 wanted to talk to them they had stopped 1590 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:32,610 talking to to anybody for years I mean 1591 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:36,330 no had there been was there a catalyst 1592 01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:39,510 was there something that finally just 1593 01:17:42,740 --> 01:17:41,190 you know drove them over the edge and 1594 01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:42,750 said that's that's enough everybody 1595 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:44,280 we're not going to talk to you anymore 1596 01:17:55,310 --> 01:17:45,210 you know 1597 01:17:56,420 --> 01:17:55,320 story is so incredible that a lot of 1598 01:17:58,280 --> 01:17:56,430 people just saying well he made the 1599 01:18:01,520 --> 01:17:58,290 whole thing up and they were basically 1600 01:18:02,780 --> 01:18:01,530 calling him a liar and he said you know 1601 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:02,790 I don't care what whether you believe me 1602 01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:04,770 or not this is what happened and he 1603 01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:06,540 maintained that for quite some time but 1604 01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:10,050 it wore on the family and his wife was 1605 01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:12,270 was getting upset by people showing up 1606 01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:14,520 at the door talking to him you know 1607 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:16,140 inviting them into the house and talking 1608 01:18:21,140 --> 01:18:17,489 to them and then they're saying oh you 1609 01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:21,150 know what you're just a hoaxer and a BSR 1610 01:18:24,850 --> 01:18:22,860 and you know you know you know we don't 1611 01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:24,860 believe anything that you say and 1612 01:18:30,910 --> 01:18:27,480 eventually the reporters themselves were 1613 01:18:34,459 --> 01:18:30,920 you know getting a little more you know 1614 01:18:37,209 --> 01:18:34,469 disbelieving their ridicule this is 1615 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:37,219 during the area error era sorry of 1616 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:39,930 ridicule of UFOs it's you know it was 1617 01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:41,730 actually worse than than it is now 1618 01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:45,420 believe it or not Wow and so these got 1619 01:18:49,220 --> 01:18:47,400 fed up with the stories that had been 1620 01:18:51,950 --> 01:18:49,230 circulating and the fact that most of 1621 01:18:53,540 --> 01:18:51,960 the stories were had incorrect things 1622 01:18:55,580 --> 01:18:53,550 you know such as the radiation poisoning 1623 01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,590 and so forth that they just said you 1624 01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:56,880 know we're not going to talk to anybody 1625 01:19:03,170 --> 01:18:59,880 anymore and so they'd actually stopped 1626 01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,180 talking to reporters and journalists for 1627 01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:05,280 a number of years before I entered the 1628 01:19:10,340 --> 01:19:08,040 picture and it was only through my 1629 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:10,350 association with the family as a family 1630 01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:12,570 friend that they allowed me into their 1631 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:14,040 inner circle and that allowed me access 1632 01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:17,610 to a lot of the other materials so it 1633 01:19:24,050 --> 01:19:21,780 was very serendipitous and I it was 1634 01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:24,060 through them that we had the idea that 1635 01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:26,210 when unsolved mysteries approached us 1636 01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:29,100 myself and their son Stan holic 1637 01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:32,640 convinced mr. mahalik and his wife to to 1638 01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,900 actually do the show with the 1639 01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:35,280 possibility that you know we might get 1640 01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:37,620 some tips we might get some additional 1641 01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:40,500 witnesses that would shine some light on 1642 01:19:46,820 --> 01:19:43,560 again pardon the pun of the case itself 1643 01:19:49,340 --> 01:19:46,830 and you know that positive experience it 1644 01:19:51,979 --> 01:19:49,350 was I think that was probably the best 1645 01:19:54,459 --> 01:19:51,989 version according to that me holics that 1646 01:19:56,690 --> 01:19:54,469 had ever been done on the the the case 1647 01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,700 and since then you know it's been 1648 01:20:01,640 --> 01:19:58,320 recreated on 1649 01:20:03,980 --> 01:20:01,650 you know many many other programs and 1650 01:20:06,500 --> 01:20:03,990 you know even to this day we were 1651 01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:06,510 approached just a few months ago by 1652 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:08,280 another television show that wants to 1653 01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:11,250 recreate it so it's finally being 1654 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:13,290 recognized I think rightly so is one of 1655 01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:16,050 the most important cases and maybe it's 1656 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:17,430 going to be going through a resurgence 1657 01:20:22,850 --> 01:20:19,650 so there will be more versions but it 1658 01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:22,860 was it was self passed away a number of 1659 01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:25,800 years ago but his son you know wants to 1660 01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:27,420 set the record straight and through our 1661 01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:30,840 look through other presentations that 1662 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:32,550 you know it looks like we're finally 1663 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:35,010 getting the message out hey well Chris 1664 01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:36,810 what would you say okay this is 1665 01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,900 obviously the the most important case 1666 01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,000 you have investigated but what would you 1667 01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:44,960 say say is your second their favorite 1668 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:49,440 saga good idea oh well I mean all across 1669 01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:52,970 Canada I mean I've only a I've 1670 01:20:57,260 --> 01:20:55,800 investigated cases from one coast to the 1671 01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:57,270 other but some of the more interesting 1672 01:21:01,960 --> 01:20:57,900 ones 1673 01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:01,970 certainly the Charlie Red Star cases of 1674 01:21:07,340 --> 01:21:05,490 1975-76 those were some really 1675 01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:07,350 interesting series of cases where 1676 01:21:11,870 --> 01:21:09,150 literally hundreds upon hundreds of 1677 01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:11,880 people kind of reminded me of warminster 1678 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:13,680 when Nigel was talking about him or 1679 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:15,210 there were so many people lining the 1680 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:16,770 roadways and in the fields looking for 1681 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:17,970 things that they're actually traffic 1682 01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,090 jams including including Grant Cameron 1683 01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:24,480 yes yeah and he started investigating 1684 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:26,640 about the same time as myself in fact I 1685 01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:29,730 was out the in the the same areas in the 1686 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:31,080 same fields talking to the same people 1687 01:21:37,070 --> 01:21:33,090 and and spent some time with him in the 1688 01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:37,080 fields as well and you know that was a 1689 01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:39,360 fascinating fascinating series of 1690 01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:41,550 reports where we had police officers and 1691 01:21:47,150 --> 01:21:44,490 there were in fact landing rings you 1692 01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:47,160 know trace cases back then that were 1693 01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:50,040 found in the Karman area talked of many 1694 01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:51,960 many people who simply had some 1695 01:22:01,010 --> 01:21:54,030 fascinating experiences that we couldn't 1696 01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:01,020 explain and go ahead I was going to ask 1697 01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,480 whether Steven had any theories about 1698 01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:05,760 what he what he saw did he think it was 1699 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:08,400 a spaceship or did he come to any 1700 01:22:12,690 --> 01:22:11,130 conclusion or was he just puzzled you 1701 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:12,700 know well that's actually 1702 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:15,250 good question because mr. mahalik never 1703 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:17,850 at any time thought in terms of 1704 01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:20,830 spacecrafts and aliens he thought to his 1705 01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:22,960 to the day he died he thought this was 1706 01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:25,510 some sort of American you know 1707 01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:27,340 spacecraft in the sense of this was a 1708 01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:30,910 NASA vehicle or Air Force vehicle he he 1709 01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:33,400 didn't even consider the possibility of 1710 01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:35,590 aliens which again is quite interesting 1711 01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:38,230 because here you have a witness of a UFO 1712 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:40,990 who doesn't think in terms of aliens and 1713 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:43,510 UFOs at all he was very very pragmatic 1714 01:22:46,650 --> 01:22:44,410 pragmatic 1715 01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:46,660 he was a mechanic he wanted to know what 1716 01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:50,080 was this machine that landed in front of 1717 01:22:54,690 --> 01:22:52,240 him and caused this disruption to his 1718 01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:54,700 life so he was he was fascinated with 1719 01:23:00,210 --> 01:22:57,070 the intricacies of the clockwork I 1720 01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:00,220 suppose that was that was involved with 1721 01:23:05,190 --> 01:23:02,470 that not really that kind of rules out 1722 01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:05,200 though the the idea of pop culture 1723 01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:07,630 influence that so many skeptics like to 1724 01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:10,720 bring up when it comes to UFOs and UFO 1725 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:13,270 sightings absolutely even though and I 1726 01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:16,810 have to admit you know the only case 1727 01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:19,120 that has an element that's that's a 1728 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:20,560 little bit too uncomfortably close to 1729 01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,250 this is Daniel Frye's contactee case 1730 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:26,080 there was white sands and was a 52 1731 01:23:31,410 --> 01:23:28,090 before something like that where he 1732 01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:31,420 tried to touch a saucer and somebody or 1733 01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:33,400 the alien inside said you better not 1734 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:37,150 touch it it's hot you know that but that 1735 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:39,690 was a mister mahalik definitely never 1736 01:23:45,710 --> 01:23:43,810 read or heard about that case I think 1737 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:45,720 the book wasn't even published until the 1738 01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:47,890 the year after or something like that 1739 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:50,320 well the the one that we touched on just 1740 01:23:54,860 --> 01:23:53,530 earlier about the Scoutmaster divergence 1741 01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:54,870 out in the Everglades 1742 01:24:00,120 --> 01:23:58,480 heaven knows he just took a machete he 1743 01:24:03,570 --> 01:24:00,130 saw this thing covering a you know over 1744 01:24:05,550 --> 01:24:03,580 the Palmetto trees and kind of rocking 1745 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:05,560 back and forth and I guess it was kind 1746 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:06,970 of down low I don't know whether he 1747 01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:09,730 thought it was menacing or what but he 1748 01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:11,860 happen to have a machete with him and he 1749 01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:14,380 took a swipe at it and it's sure the 1750 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:17,020 heck did a number on him because he had 1751 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:18,490 the same thing happened where he had all 1752 01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:23,650 these hair was singed and his cap was 1753 01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:26,210 caught on fire and 1754 01:24:31,660 --> 01:24:28,780 were witnesses there were three Scouts 1755 01:24:34,420 --> 01:24:31,670 in the in the car they had parked at the 1756 01:24:36,130 --> 01:24:34,430 side of the the road because they saw 1757 01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:36,140 some glow coming from the Palmetto 1758 01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:38,090 thicket and they thought maybe a plane 1759 01:24:42,670 --> 01:24:40,190 had gone down so the Scoutmaster got out 1760 01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,680 of the car and he wandered into the area 1761 01:24:49,900 --> 01:24:45,440 and he had this UFO attacked him after 1762 01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:49,910 he had attacked the the UFO and then the 1763 01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:52,400 the boys I guess somehow got touch with 1764 01:24:58,420 --> 01:24:55,730 the the local constable or sheriff and 1765 01:25:00,850 --> 01:24:58,430 he came out after about 15 and or 20 1766 01:25:03,010 --> 01:25:00,860 minutes and the Scoutmaster finally a 1767 01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,020 struggle back out to the car and he was 1768 01:25:09,610 --> 01:25:05,600 all singed and burned and now I guess 1769 01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:09,620 some of those cases were well Nigel you 1770 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:12,280 did a book about the Steve Spielberg 1771 01:25:17,770 --> 01:25:15,530 those yeah yeah and I was the the editor 1772 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:17,780 of the Close Encounters poster magazine 1773 01:25:23,620 --> 01:25:20,570 but he relied I think heavily on cases 1774 01:25:29,190 --> 01:25:23,630 like that and of course in his instance 1775 01:25:32,979 --> 01:25:29,200 of the I was a nori and the the the main 1776 01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:32,989 person in the the story there he had a 1777 01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:36,080 case where his face was all burned and 1778 01:25:44,770 --> 01:25:40,340 all because the UFO I think there 1779 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:44,780 against Phil bergamot film shows UFOs to 1780 01:25:52,450 --> 01:25:49,250 be hostile at first by abducting and 1781 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:52,460 burning people and causing car chases 1782 01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:55,010 and sky watchers to be frightened but 1783 01:26:00,700 --> 01:25:57,890 very kind of reserved reserves at the 1784 01:26:03,940 --> 01:26:00,710 end by them actually come in peacefully 1785 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:03,950 I think that the cases we've spoke about 1786 01:26:10,090 --> 01:26:07,130 seem to be but people have got too close 1787 01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:10,100 to these objects rather than anything 1788 01:26:17,140 --> 01:26:13,190 any hostile intent it's just being about 1789 01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:17,150 you know proximity rather than anything 1790 01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:19,810 being shot at a person in a hostile 1791 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:21,830 although there's there's an interesting 1792 01:26:27,010 --> 01:26:25,130 Canadian case again this is actually 1793 01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:27,020 only a month after the the Falcon Lake 1794 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:30,880 he's up in Thompson Manitoba which is 1795 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:33,770 you know for any kind of description it 1796 01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:35,770 was actually a physical abduction of 1797 01:26:43,450 --> 01:26:40,310 attempted abduction of somebody where 1798 01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:43,460 about six o'clock in the evening a woman 1799 01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:46,280 was cooking in her home and noticed out 1800 01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:48,290 the window that there was a sudden gust 1801 01:26:53,290 --> 01:26:49,940 of wind that was flying the the leaves 1802 01:26:54,459 --> 01:26:53,300 around the around the house and her she 1803 01:26:58,270 --> 01:26:54,469 knew her children were playing outside 1804 01:27:03,870 --> 01:26:58,280 and she heard some shouts and she went 1805 01:27:06,910 --> 01:27:03,880 outside and she saw a neighborhood boy 1806 01:27:10,060 --> 01:27:06,920 holding on to her daughter who 1807 01:27:14,130 --> 01:27:10,070 apparently had just come down from the 1808 01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:14,140 air and the kids said that there was a 1809 01:27:19,060 --> 01:27:17,239 cube-shaped object not a saucer but a 1810 01:27:21,550 --> 01:27:19,070 cube-shaped object that was in the sky 1811 01:27:23,229 --> 01:27:21,560 and was sucking her into the air and the 1812 01:27:26,410 --> 01:27:23,239 woman turned around and looked up and 1813 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:26,420 sure enough there was this black and 1814 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:29,810 silver cube alternating sides up in the 1815 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:33,530 sky that was just taking off and heading 1816 01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,650 off into the end of the sky and they 1817 01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:38,719 said that the kids were playing outside 1818 01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:41,510 and they all of a sudden this this cube 1819 01:27:47,709 --> 01:27:44,030 had come down and started sucking the 1820 01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,719 little girl up into the sky and the boy 1821 01:27:51,370 --> 01:27:50,000 and another child had to grab her and 1822 01:27:53,649 --> 01:27:51,380 hold her down to the ground otherwise 1823 01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:53,659 she would have been whisked away so I 1824 01:27:57,970 --> 01:27:56,360 mean that's there's a malevolent intent 1825 01:27:59,919 --> 01:27:57,980 right there I would think whatever this 1826 01:28:02,169 --> 01:27:59,929 thing and was actually witnessed by the 1827 01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:02,179 the mother herself and the father came 1828 01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:04,219 home just about that time and saw the 1829 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:08,960 object as well well Nigel your your 1830 01:28:14,770 --> 01:28:13,130 cases there from World War one any overt 1831 01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:14,780 hostility I mean are we talking about 1832 01:28:23,020 --> 01:28:19,489 any cases outside of the Red Baron where 1833 01:28:25,780 --> 01:28:23,030 there was an overt attempt either on our 1834 01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:25,790 part or their part the shoot'em out of 1835 01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:30,560 the sky um there's actually quite a few 1836 01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:34,310 cases from America and Canada German 1837 01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:38,560 with facade wall Wareham who were seen 1838 01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:42,050 lights were seen over like DuPont DuPont 1839 01:28:50,420 --> 01:28:46,880 chemical plants and was talk of sabotage 1840 01:28:54,620 --> 01:28:50,430 and flying objects come in 1841 01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:54,630 - sub Bom Bom bees plants and I think in 1842 01:28:58,990 --> 01:28:55,500 Ottawa 1843 01:29:03,920 --> 01:28:59,000 they had blackouts because a feared 1844 01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:03,930 German aircraft were coming over and one 1845 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:06,480 one aviator even said he'd add a 1846 01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:09,690 dogfight with these with what they 1847 01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:11,460 thought we were sort of German aircraft 1848 01:29:17,450 --> 01:29:13,290 but you know it might have all been 1849 01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:17,460 about you know um you know fears in 1850 01:29:24,350 --> 01:29:20,520 wartime really which escalate and course 1851 01:29:27,380 --> 01:29:24,360 were real German agents working in the 1852 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:27,390 United States and possibly Canada as 1853 01:29:33,050 --> 01:29:30,330 well so the kind of mixture of fact and 1854 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:33,060 fiction there and obviously you know 1855 01:29:40,190 --> 01:29:37,290 it's hard to get out of the actual a lot 1856 01:29:43,390 --> 01:29:40,200 of information but in the public record 1857 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:43,400 office it's quite a lot of detail about 1858 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:47,130 the logged over sightings that were 1859 01:29:52,730 --> 01:29:49,290 reported through police stations and 1860 01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:52,740 sent to the military intelligence 1861 01:29:58,730 --> 01:29:56,000 so as an our x-files department in 1862 01:30:03,590 --> 01:29:58,740 Britain in the First World War but just 1863 01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:03,600 dealt with any anything unusual aerial 1864 01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,000 activity or anything related to Spain 1865 01:30:14,150 --> 01:30:11,280 because there were stories of motor cars 1866 01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:14,160 driving through country lanes flushing 1867 01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:17,100 the headlights at Zeppelin's to guide 1868 01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,130 them to targets and you know stories of 1869 01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:24,320 [Music] 1870 01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:27,150 airship bases hidden away in the 1871 01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:29,910 Scottish Highlands or immolate district 1872 01:30:37,900 --> 01:30:33,360 and and was even a reward for anyone who 1873 01:30:41,690 --> 01:30:37,910 could find any of these enemy bases but 1874 01:30:46,670 --> 01:30:41,700 even though very extensive search has 1875 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:46,680 made for never any German aircraft 1876 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:50,130 actually found on British territory 1877 01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:53,610 except for you know the so more regular 1878 01:31:00,140 --> 01:30:56,520 sight Flynn attacks yeah and I remember 1879 01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:00,150 that doing the the the investigation or 1880 01:31:03,859 --> 01:31:02,250 they found the records regarding the 1881 01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:03,869 Parliament Hill 1882 01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,530 cases in Canada in 1989 it was the 1883 01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,639 lights of Parliament Hill were 1884 01:31:11,839 --> 01:31:10,320 extinguished because they yeah somebody 1885 01:31:14,569 --> 01:31:11,849 had seen the light swimming they thought 1886 01:31:16,189 --> 01:31:14,579 there were enemy aircraft and when you 1887 01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:16,199 think about that that in itself is quite 1888 01:31:22,339 --> 01:31:19,800 significant that you know you would they 1889 01:31:25,370 --> 01:31:22,349 actually extinguished the lights on in 1890 01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:25,380 Canada's capital because of some UFO 1891 01:31:30,169 --> 01:31:27,690 sightings so that's that's quite 1892 01:31:33,140 --> 01:31:30,179 interesting itself well we have a course 1893 01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:33,150 are a battle of Los Angeles then we 1894 01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:35,400 describe India for hostilities book 1895 01:31:41,330 --> 01:31:37,650 where this saying came right over Culver 1896 01:31:44,299 --> 01:31:41,340 City and we beamed all these flashlights 1897 01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:44,309 at it and shot over 1500 artillery 1898 01:31:50,089 --> 01:31:47,340 shells pretty large ones because several 1899 01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:50,099 homes were damaged and I think three 1900 01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:51,570 people actually died of a heart attack 1901 01:31:56,750 --> 01:31:53,250 and three people died from other 1902 01:32:00,609 --> 01:31:56,760 miscellaneous the causes during that so 1903 01:32:03,740 --> 01:32:00,619 there are hostile cases out there 1904 01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:03,750 certainly I mean but then again we've 1905 01:32:08,569 --> 01:32:06,480 been responsible for causing a great 1906 01:32:10,580 --> 01:32:08,579 deal of the hostility I would think n 1907 01:32:13,819 --> 01:32:10,590 they they certainly they certainly can 1908 01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:13,829 overwhelm us if they they want to well 1909 01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:16,250 Tim you know where we're coming up the 1910 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:18,780 the magical hour midnight here on the 1911 01:32:25,459 --> 01:32:23,130 East Coast and I think at this point we 1912 01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:25,469 should let our guests give a little bit 1913 01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:28,110 of information on where our listeners 1914 01:32:32,660 --> 01:32:31,020 can find their websites and their 1915 01:32:35,299 --> 01:32:32,670 products and get in touch with them and 1916 01:32:37,939 --> 01:32:35,309 so Nigel why don't you give it a stab 1917 01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:37,949 how do we out of how do we find out 1918 01:32:44,779 --> 01:32:40,739 about what your work is and you confirm 1919 01:32:48,770 --> 01:32:44,789 our books on Amazon over Amazon in the 1920 01:32:52,879 --> 01:32:48,780 USA or UK and I've got a Facebook page 1921 01:32:56,359 --> 01:32:52,889 as well so I figure what are you working 1922 01:32:58,970 --> 01:32:56,369 on are you working at a UFO tech book I 1923 01:33:02,950 --> 01:32:58,980 wrote a book called portraits of alien 1924 01:33:07,339 --> 01:33:02,960 encounters in the South based on my 1925 01:33:11,779 --> 01:33:07,349 1970s research and a fart of revising it 1926 01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:11,789 and to emphasize more about cases of UFO 1927 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:14,020 seen by children 1928 01:33:18,690 --> 01:33:16,330 we will talk about how you focusing in 1929 01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:18,700 playground so forth because I already 1930 01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:20,860 have a lot of information about a Paul 1931 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:23,140 Bennett case it still added a few other 1932 01:33:32,700 --> 01:33:29,050 cases of child or UFO sightings Google 1933 01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:32,710 sorry go ahead no gone I'm if you google 1934 01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:35,110 my name and UFO you can usually find 1935 01:33:42,350 --> 01:33:40,030 some links and you do you do right from 1936 01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:42,360 time to time for the illustrious 1937 01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:46,800 fourteen times I'm so yeah which is a 1938 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:49,300 probably the only english-language 1939 01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:51,970 magazine devoted printed magazine 1940 01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:55,390 devoted to arcane subjects I mean there 1941 01:33:58,650 --> 01:33:56,530 isn't really anything else 1942 01:34:00,420 --> 01:33:58,660 the Australian ufologists which was 1943 01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:00,430 around for twenty years finally I gave 1944 01:34:05,610 --> 01:34:03,280 up the ghost about six months ago and 1945 01:34:08,970 --> 01:34:05,620 you could still find the fourteen times 1946 01:34:11,370 --> 01:34:08,980 on the importance and Noble in fact the 1947 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:11,380 current issue has Jackie Gleason and 1948 01:34:19,770 --> 01:34:16,090 Richard Nixon on the cover and deals 1949 01:34:22,140 --> 01:34:19,780 with my well some of my contributions on 1950 01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:22,150 this which the writer doesn't take too 1951 01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:25,120 nicely but that's this problem and and 1952 01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:27,520 that's a fourteen times approaching the 1953 01:34:34,730 --> 01:34:30,310 subject and a crisp give it a shout out 1954 01:34:37,890 --> 01:34:34,740 there from the kid eighty inside well I 1955 01:34:40,110 --> 01:34:37,900 most of my books are on Amazon with the 1956 01:34:42,740 --> 01:34:40,120 exception of the most recent one it was 1957 01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:42,750 actually published through a 1958 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:45,310 organization called McNally Robinson 1959 01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:48,130 which is a large bookstore up in Canada 1960 01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:51,280 and it's available on their website so 1961 01:35:00,150 --> 01:34:57,160 it's McNally MCA MC n al ly Robinson rel 1962 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:00,160 run together and dot-com and you can 1963 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:03,130 find a link there for searching for us 1964 01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:06,010 and under my name I actually do have a 1965 01:35:09,150 --> 01:35:07,540 case half of one of my books you 1966 01:35:12,450 --> 01:35:09,160 mentioned it when we were just starting 1967 01:35:15,650 --> 01:35:12,460 out the book called I saw it too is my 1968 01:35:18,060 --> 01:35:15,660 book on kids UFO cases alright 1969 01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:18,070 everything that was in their own words 1970 01:35:24,750 --> 01:35:21,600 and was illustrated by a manga 1971 01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,760 illustrators oh there's a you know 1972 01:35:27,899 --> 01:35:26,560 there's a number of cases I have a case 1973 01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:27,909 a book on abductor 1974 01:35:32,939 --> 01:35:30,550 and the big wiki UFOs and I'm working on 1975 01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:32,949 a few other projects so what well you 1976 01:35:38,429 --> 01:35:35,260 know we are going to reconvene this 1977 01:35:41,069 --> 01:35:38,439 conversation in five or six months I've 1978 01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:41,079 never set a date with the guests have 1979 01:35:44,429 --> 01:35:42,369 been on the program but I'm so 1980 01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:44,439 enthralled by the work that you guys 1981 01:35:48,689 --> 01:35:46,239 have done that we're gonna have a 1982 01:35:51,779 --> 01:35:48,699 rematch here Tim I I think you would 1983 01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:51,789 agree this has been a great show a lot 1984 01:35:55,919 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